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HelloRapidRainbow
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Roukezian
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Do you think collective punishment is fair?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/26/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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HelloRapidRainbow

Con

I highly disagree with collective punishment used in schools. If one pupil steps out of line, the rest of the students get punished, and frankly I believe this is unfair. Students are always being told to cheer up about school and think positively but that cannot be done if the entire class is getting punished. Class detentions, missed school trips, and the like should not be applied to the whole class if just one/several mess up.

Another issue: When teachers see a large portion of the class misbehaving, they also decide to blame the entire class. They really need to look closely before jumping to conclusions. The studious girl sitting at the back might be quiet and attentive. Or perhaps one of the boys is cleaning up the classroom and trying to remind people not to sit on the tables. Yet, the teachers look past this issue and act as though the entire class out, which is especially infuriating for the students that were actually trying to respect the teacher. It also gets in the way of lessons because the teacher has to stop and lecture everyone, resulting in chunks of break periods being taken away to finish the lesson.

Therefore, I think that collective punishment is not fair. We've really got to sort this out.
Roukezian

Pro



PREFACE


I thank Con for starting an interesting debate. I was not very impressed with the wording of the resolution, as we're not really going to debate my personal position on collective punishment, but on whether collective punishment is fair as a method of school punishment. That being said, I assume the burden of proof is shared and will present my arguments and refutations as Con has presented his arguments in the opening statement.


MY CASE


1- Passive involvement in class disturbance


Mischief in a typical classroom is not because of one student but also because of the group surrounding him that encourage him or interact with him. The way to be fair in that case is to punish the whole group so that the students learn to be weary of mischievous individuals, or else the student would feel like the scapegoat and argue that his punishment is unfair, while the group would remain to be passively involved in the class disturbance.


2- Inability to pin the blame


If the teacher is unable to find the students directly behind a certain mischief, and he or she allows it to pass because of that, then that will naturally encourage students to do more collective mischief. Therefore, collective punishment is needed in this case to encourage students not to cover up to other students and make everyone responsible if they are not willing to admit who was the perpetrator. In other words, if they are willing to cooperate with each other in mischief, they should be willing to be punished together.


3- Increases class solidarity


When a class is collectively punished, the students will have more solidarity between each other and the mischievous ones will feel more guilt as their behaviors would now be looked down upon by their other classmates. It teaches students valuable lessons in group responsibility and team management, and so I look at it as something that teaches children valuable lessons.



REFUTATION


Pro argues, “Class detentions, missed school trips, and the like should not be applied to the whole class if just one/several mess up.”


Refutation: Depends on the situation. If the several culprits are not identified, then it is risky of the teacher and the administration to take out mischievous students on a school trip and so forth. Therefore, a class detention or punishment is needed on one hand to further investigate an issue and on another hand to punish the class together so that the skills of group management and organization are strengthened among the students.


Pro argues, “When teachers see a large portion of the class misbehaving, they also decide to blame the entire class. They really need to look closely before jumping to conclusions.”


Refutation: Again. This is very circumstantial and dependent on the situation. For instance, if I was able to identify two students completely innocent and not participating in the chaotic behavior, I’d surely spare them the punishment. However, if such students are not easily spotted and almost every student is either directly or passively involved in the class disturbance, then group punishment will be the best way to put the classroom back into order. Trying to put the blame on some students would make it unfair to them, and not putting blame on people who deserved it will encourage them to be more annoying rascals.


Pro argues, “It also gets in the way of lessons because the teacher has to stop and lecture everyone, resulting in chunks of break periods being taken away to finish the lesson.”


Refutation: Investigating who was causing the mischief, lecturing and punishing the individuals usually takes more time than doing a class punishment and a 10 min lecture.


Debate Round No. 1
HelloRapidRainbow

Con

HelloRapidRainbow forfeited this round.
Roukezian

Pro

Sigh. Extend arguments.

Debate Round No. 2
HelloRapidRainbow

Con

HelloRapidRainbow forfeited this round.
Roukezian

Pro

Vote Pro.

Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
All pro needs to do to win this, is say they think it's fair.
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Vote Placed by Adam_Godzilla 1 year ago
Adam_Godzilla
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