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vaporizeislands
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zestog3
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Do you think there Is a difference between Democrats and Republicans?

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zestog3
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/17/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vaporizeislands

Pro

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Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Presenting all arguments (no rebuttals by con)
Round 3: Refutation of opponent's arguments (no new arguments)
Round 4: Defending your original arguments and conclusion (no new arguments)

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zestog3

Con

I accept your terms to this challenge. Seeing how you are a self proclaimed socialist/communist, I'd like to see what you have to say.
Debate Round No. 1
vaporizeislands

Pro

You're stating that as if being a communist is taboo.

Anyway back to the matter at hand...

Obvious Democrats take a Liberal stance and Republicans take a Conservative standpoint. I believe this is clearly the biggest and commonly known difference between the two.

Democrats Favor minimum wages and progressive taxation and Republicans believe taxes shouldn't be increased for anyone including the wealthy.

Democrats believe in decreasing defensive and military budget and always aim to pull out of conflicts (quite unsuccessfully). Republicans believe in increasing military and defensive spending also getting involved in unpopular conflicts and backing 'non-existent' conflicts particularly in Latin America.

The one subject in which you could consider Republicans and Democrats remotely similar is same-sex marriage. Democrats generally hold the opinion that same-sex marriage is a basic human right (which it is), freedom of expression and even constitutional but that is where the party is divided with half of the political structure disagreeing with same sex marriage. Republicans on the other hand generally disagree with same-sex marriage believing with some republicans supporting it but somehow it offends them and the party's Christian values.

This unfortunately is the same with abortion. Eighty percent of democrats are rightfully pro-choice with the remainder being anti-abortion or indifferent. Ninety percent of republicans are strongly anti-abortion and pro-life one of the pioneers of this was the ridiculous Rick Santorum with his bigoted comments on abortion.

Both parties are exact in terms of the death penalty with both parties in strong support with minor factions disagreeing.

They are similar in some respects but generally they are very different.
zestog3

Con

There is ONE party= The Big Government Party.

You will see their purpose is to continually grow the government, regardless of who is in power in the Congress, and regardless of who is President.

While they say they stand for different views, show me where in the passage of laws in the past 20+ years how this is an actuality.

Both are bought and paid for by the .1%-.01%, who run the major corporations and the "Too Big to Fail" banks.

Both parties get massive campaign contributions from the SAME people-Usually big banks on Wall Street, oil companies, and others involved with the military industrial complex.

Why did both parties overwhelmingly support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? Why did both parties overwhelmingly support the Patriot Act? The NDAA? Why did they both overwhelmingly support the attack on Libya? Also Syria?

What difference have you seen between Bush and Obama in office? Both benefited the politically connected rich against the rest of the population.

Ask yourself, if the parties are so different in substance, why has nothing changed regardless of who is in power? Ask yourself, has there been any difference between either party in power, besides losing your Civil Liberties, increased taxes, and the Federal Reserve blowing up and then popping economic bubbles?

You see, these 'differences' are just talking points. Whoever wins the Presidency always goes to the Middle-and becomes a big government big spending President. You may think there are vast differences, and they put up a good show, but nothing ever changes either to the right or to the left.

Luckily, Syria was prevented because the so called 'Right vs Left' united against the power of the State. This is why they want to keep us divided by false labels. That is why they keep the illusion going.

There is no Right v Left. It is the individual (YOU) vs the State and State power.
Debate Round No. 2
vaporizeislands

Pro

Perhaps there is just one party but that has not got anything to do with the argument I am trying to make. They may have heavy collusion with each other but their views are still very different for example: The Soviet Union and the United States fought alongside each other in the second world war but clearly they have very different views on the way the world should be.

As a Cuban, I have felt that I have had a more successful life in America with the assistance of Democrats. Republicans don't support the actions of the common people.

Of course they are supported by big corporations such as Wall Street, oil companies, and others involved with the military industrial complex. That is what capitalism is my love. Governmental assistance via big corporations therefore sharing the profits.

Because both parties had various things to gain from those countries as well as UN pressure. It's not an ideological thing it's something that this whole one-world government has pressured the US into also the United States feels they have to present heroics to the rest of the world and nearly always end up making a mess. Please make sure that you know that just because both parties heavily support a conflict doesn't mean they are the same organization, that could not be more further from the truth.

The difference between Bush and Obama? Obviously this a hard question but possibly the big health care changes which Obama has presented might be the BIGGEST difference. That's such a ridiculous statement I don't believe I can say much more.

I can quite safely say that I'm loosing less Civil liberties with Democrats than I am with Republicans.

Hilarious.
zestog3

Con

You're stating that as if being a communist is taboo.

-No, not a taboo. A sign that you have little value for human individuality and human life. You wouldn't"t let someone like myself be free but a slave to the State.

Both sides want to grow government and increase the power of the State.



Obvious Democrats take a Liberal stance and Republicans take a Conservative standpoint. I believe this is clearly the biggest and commonly known difference between the two.

All in style but not in substance. They both want to grow government and government influence and gain more power and wealth for the State. Every bill and vote is consistent with that goal, except when special exemptions are given out to big contributors (bribes) to the politicians. Being a communist, you obviously encourage the growth of government at the expense of our freedom and liberty, so this isn't much of a problem to you.



Democrats Favor minimum wages and progressive taxation and Republicans believe taxes shouldn't be increased for anyone including the wealthy.

Well, if this is the case, why have taxes on everything gone up everywhere? We just had a major tax hike for the income tax this year, as well as a major tax hike known as Obamacare.

Taxes are insane. You are lucky if you keep 50% of your pay, between income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, gasoline tax, "sin tax", ext. So Republicans somehow advocating for keeping your tax rate at 50%+ is somehow different from Democrats who want to raise it up a little bit more? If you told me Republicans want to get rid of the Income tax and lower overall taxes, I"d believe you. The best way to lower taxes is to shrink government. Both sides are united in preventing this, and are of the same mindset of growing government and increasing its power.








Democrats believe in decreasing defensive and military budget and always aim to pull out of conflicts (quite unsuccessfully). Republicans believe in increasing military and defensive spending also getting involved in unpopular conflicts and backing 'non-existent' conflicts particularly in Latin America.


This is a myth. The democrats have NEVER lowered military spending the past 30+ years and BOTH parties will NOT lower spending for the military as a large chunk of lobbying money comes from the military industrial complex. Democrats are only "against" war when they are in the minority, but not really.

Clinton had the best chance to lower military spending. The US won the Cold War, he could have cut the budget substantially by bringing troops home from the US's 900+ military bases in around 130 countries. He did not. We still have troops in Japan from 65+ years ago.

Democrats overwhelmingly voted for War in Iraq, War in Afghanistan, War in Libya, and overwhelmingly supported War in Syria. Both are also staunch supporters of continuing the War on Drugs. We've seen how successful that"s been.

Both are also big supporters of the War of YOU (the individual). They have been successful at winning this war, little victories at a time(a couple laws, a couple taxes, a couple restrictions over a long period of time does indeed add up).


Obama has substantially increased drone warfare and killed thousands of innocents.
Obama wanted to EXTEND military occupation of Iraq, trying to FORCE Iraq to allow this. The only reason he is pulling the troops out is because the Iraq government would not allow the US military to act wit IMPUNITY and with a "free hand" in Iraq. This means that Iraq wanted to be able to hold the US troops accountable for killing innocents and bring them to court. Obama didn't want this, and was forced to pull the troops home. He wants to do the same in Afghanistan and keep a large base of troops there. Democrats... not so different from Republicans.





The one subject in which you could consider Republicans and Democrats remotely similar is same-sex marriage. Democrats generally hold the opinion that same-sex marriage is a basic human right (which it is), freedom of expression and even constitutional but that is where the party is divided with half of the political structure disagreeing with same sex marriage. Republicans on the other hand generally disagree with same-sex marriage believing with some republicans supporting it but somehow it offends them and the party's Christian values.


The Democrats and Republicans both don't give care about human rights. Repeat after me, both don't give a damn about human rights. They both have continually taken away our civil liberties over the past 30+ years.

Both overwhelmingly supported and continue to support the Patriot Act.
Both overwhelmingly supported and continue to support the NDAA, in where the military can arrest anyone, anywhere in the world, including US citizens, without any charges indefinitely.

Both support "Too Big to Fail" bailouts, which is private profits and socialized losses (The banks keep the profits, WE (the taxpayer) pay when they gamble their money away.)

Anything that grows the influence of the government, you will see them come together. That is why the debt ceiling always has been raised. That is why those "automatic budget cuts" only lasted 1 year in the most recent bill and have been phased out.




This unfortunately is the same with abortion. Eighty percent of democrats are rightfully pro-choice with the remainder being anti-abortion or indifferent. Ninety percent of republicans are strongly anti-abortion and pro-life one of the pioneers of this was the ridiculous Rick Santorum with his bigoted comments on abortion.

Abortion isn't going anywhere. It won"t be repealed, and no side is seriously considering doing so. They are both fine with the status quo, as it allows more women into the workforce to pay more taxes, which will GROW the government power.


They are similar in some respects but generally they are very different.


The government exists as any other entity: to grow in size and influence, and to continue to exist in the future. Both sides are a side of the same coin. Since they have the same lobbyists more or less, they are bought and paid for by the same people. If you reduce the size of government, these lobbyists will have LESS power to buy politicians, and they can take away LESS of our freedoms.

Both support the continuation of the Federal Reserve and its money printing. This has harmed the average American more than anything, as this money creation (out of thin air) causes inflation, which is a hidden tax. This is why, even with all the technological advances with the computer and internet, prices continue to go up, while wages stagnate.

This creation of money goes to the government and the rich who are well connected first. They spend it at real value before the inflation kicks in. That is why the .1% have grown their wealth SUBSTANTIALLY compared to the rest of the population. Check out some charts on this. When QE started, you will see their growth of wealth. But it really started in the 1970's, when Nixon took us fully off the partial gold standard, and the Federal Reserve could print at will.

The only difference you see is a libertarian element growing mostly in the republican party and to a smaller extent, in the democrat party. These libertarian minded individuals are actually trying to shrink government, but they are being attacked and marginalized by the established One party and Big Media. Think Ron Paul.

As you can see, both sides exist to grow the established State. While the talking points are different, in substance nothing has changed with either party in power.
Debate Round No. 3
vaporizeislands

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zestog3

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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zestog3

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Debate Round No. 5
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