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Doctors salaries are a major part of the health care problem

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Started: 5/28/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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thomas.g

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Insurance and drug companies and malpractice are blamed for poor care and high costs but Drs seems somehow to get off the hook. The reason other countries have cheaper health care is that Drs elsewhere make have as much.
qwarkinator

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The one thing that keeps medical care satisfactory in America is the fact that we pay our medical staff more than other countries. In fact if we pay our doctors less, as you suggest, we would run in many other problems. Their would be no incentive for prospective doctors to become doctors at all because they would be paid less money. If a prospective doctor goes to school and finds out he could get paid considerable more money at another occupation why would he become a doctor? This would then lead to a shortage in staff and a lack of medical care. It seems it would be better to have more expensive medical bills, that insurance could possibly cover, than have a lack of care which has no immediate solution.
Debate Round No. 1
thomas.g

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The one thing that keeps medical care satisfactory in America is the fact that we pay our medical staff more than other countries.

...other countries have better health care pay their drs less

In fact if we pay our doctors less, as you suggest, we would run in many other problems. Their would be no incentive for prospective doctors to become doctors at all because they would be paid less money.

.... we would get people who are not into for the money

If a prospective doctor goes to school and finds out he could get paid considerable more money at another occupation why would he become a doctor?

... to help people??

This would then lead to a shortage in staff and a lack of medical care. It seems it would be better to have more expensive medical bills, that insurance could possibly cover, than have a lack of care which has no immediate solution
qwarkinator

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...other countries have better health care pay their drs less

Did you just come up with this assumption? If you did not i would like to know which countries have better health care than us and i would like to know why you say they have better health care. Until you prove the fact that our health care system is inferior you have no argument.

.... we would get people who are not into for the money

Everyone is in it for the money. The doctors have to pay off their bills from their extensive schooling. They have to pay for food, housing and medical care just like the rest of us. I am sure some doctors get into for the satisfaction of saving lives but if they were not making money they would still leave so they could pay their bills.
Debate Round No. 2
thomas.g

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...other countries have better health care pay their drs less

Did you just come up with this assumption? If you did not i would like to know which countries have better health care than us and i would like to know why you say they have better health care. Until you prove the fact that our health care system is inferior you have no argument.

>>> the stats are there on the internet. the US rates only in the middle of quality of health care and pay too much

.... we would get people who are not into for the money

Everyone is in it for the money. The doctors have to pay off their bills from their extensive schooling. They have to pay for food, housing and medical care just like the rest of us. I am sure some doctors get into for the satisfaction of saving lives but if they were not making money they would still leave so they could pay their bills.

>>>> Drs salaries after all the expenses are very high and about twice as high as candana france britain. its all googleable

>>>>> have you researched this?
qwarkinator

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qwarkinator forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DrAlexander 9 years ago
DrAlexander
Math equation:

X=Y=Z= horrible health plans

Where x is the medical industrial complex, y is the insurance companies and z is George W. Bush Jr. or Sr. it doesn't really matter.

Well, the equation says it all...
Posted by Jamcke 9 years ago
Jamcke
Yes, precisely. Medical industrial complex = insurance companies, drug companies, etc.
Posted by DrAlexander 9 years ago
DrAlexander
It is the American citizens, for electing Bush...
:D
Posted by qwarkinator 9 years ago
qwarkinator
It is the insurance companies that are more worried about their profits than human life.
Posted by Jamcke 9 years ago
Jamcke
If anyone's to blame for our medical woes, it's the medical industrial complex.
Posted by DrAlexander 9 years ago
DrAlexander
I agree with Vi.

Doctors have gone through ALOT, they deserve what they're paid, if not more.
What's sad is that they don't get as much honor and respect as famous actors, musicians or athletic stars, not to mention they get paid less.
Posted by Jamcke 9 years ago
Jamcke
Yeah. I agree with what Vi Veri said.
Posted by Vi_Veri 9 years ago
Vi_Veri
Becoming a doctor is an ordeal in itself. Anyone who spends so much time in med school with absolutely no life, learning brain aching information deserves the money they make. They get paid so much because your average Joe doesn't want to go through all that ordeal (or pay all that money that Med school is, or have the grades to get through it).

It takes a hell of a lot to be a doctor, and sometimes I don't even think the pay is enough for how much time they spend working, attempting to diagnose countless patients, or spending constant hours in surgery.
Posted by qwarkinator 9 years ago
qwarkinator
Sorry about not completing the debate but my schedule was pretty full.
Posted by dairygirl4u2c 9 years ago
dairygirl4u2c
you should use this in your argument.

consider that malpractice is merely a little bit, as a pertentage of what a doctor makes.
even if malpractice insurance was 10k, the average doctor makes 160k per year.
plus, i'm pretty sure insurance isn't that high, but regardless. it's relatively arguably a drop in the bucket.
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