Does Any God Exist?
We will be arguing if a God or Deity exists.
My opponent will believe in the existence of a God.
God - a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes. - New Oxford American Dictionary.
The first round will be acceptance, followed by a brutal 3 round slash fest. (Just Kidding)
This is my first debate ever, good luck!
Although this is not my first debate I have been lacking in skills according to a new friend who was Kind enough to provide me with a link to learn I present it here for you as well. Takes time to read but a wealth of info.
And good Luck.
Courtesy of Ragnar;
CamSox forfeited this round.
http://www.livescience.com... is an excellent article though its completely wrong, but I digress.
1. Panspermia- Perhaps life did not begin on Earth at all, but was brought here from elsewhere in space, a notion known as panspermia. researchers have controversially suggested brought microbes over here
"Oh, and if you thought all that was mysterious, consider this: Scientists admit they don't even have a good definition of life! " quote from article.
2. Simple Beginnings- life might have begun with smaller molecules interacting with each other in cycles of reactions.
3. RNA World- Some scientists think the molecule could have spontaneously arisen on Earth, others say that was very unlikely to have happened.
4. Chilly Start- Ice might have covered the oceans 3 billion years ago. This layer of ice, possibly hundreds of feet thick, might have protected fragile organic compounds in the water below from ultraviolet light and destruction from cosmic impacts.
5. Deep Sea Vents- deep-sea vent theory suggests that life may have begun at submarine hydrothermal vents spewing key hydrogen-rich molecules.
6. Community Clay- The first molecules of life might have met on clay, according to an idea elaborated by organic chemist Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith at the University of Glasgow in Scotland.
7. Electric Spark- Lightning may have provided the spark needed for life to begin. Electric sparks can generate amino acids and sugars from an atmosphere loaded with water, methane, ammonia and hydrogen, as was shown in the famous Miller-Urey experiment reported in 1953, suggesting that lightning might have helped create the key building blocks of life on Earth in its early days.
Now let us leave the realm of fantasy for a moment, no doubt to return later.
CAN ANYTHING REPRODUCE BY ANY OTHER METHOD OTHER THAN OVUM (emphasis)? biology 101.
What"s a Microbe?
1.a microorganism, especially a bacterium causing disease or fermentation.
What are its parts?
there are numerous formations: depending on the disease or virus.
What is RNA?
RNA molecules are single stranded nucleic acids composed of nucleotides. RNA plays a major role in protein synthesis as it is involved in the transcription, decoding, and translation of the genetic code to produce proteins. RNA stands for ribonucleic acid and like DNA, RNA nucleotides contain three components:
"A Nitrogenous Base, "A Five-Carbon Sugar, "A Phosphate Group
What is a Cell membrane?
1.the semipermeable membrane surrounding the cytoplasm of a cell. Also called cytomembrane.
What are its parts?
The cell membrane (or plasma membrane) surrounds all living cells, and is the cell's most important organelle. It controls how substances can move in and out of the cell and is responsible for many other properties of the cell as well. The membranes that surround the nucleus and other organelles are almost identical to the cell membrane. Membranes are composed of phospholipids, proteins and carbohydrates arranged in a fluid mosaic structure, as shown in this diagram.
What IS an Ovum?
A mature female reproductive cell, especially of a human or other animal, that can divide to give rise to an embryo usually only after fertilization by a male cell.
What are its parts?
Human ovum examined fresh in the liquor folliculi. (Waldeyer.) The zona pellucida is seen as a thick clear girdle surrounded by the cells of the corona radiata. The egg itself shows a central granular deutoplasmic area and a peripheral clear layer, and encloses the germinal vesicle, in which is seen the germinal spot.
IN review the 7 possible ways lets break it down;
Theory#1 through theories 7 are false and busted, because life doesn't begin or reproduce by microbe, it requires Ovum, always has always will!
In every report provided by scientific literature was the requirement for an Ovum EVER ADDRESSED (emphasis)?
Why not? Because unless they leave that tidbit OUT (emphasis), the experiments cannot continue, because everyone will lock on to the fact that an ovum IS REQUIRED (emphasis) to reproduce, that"s NOT OPTIONAL (emphasis)!
Now remember how they talked about creating microbes with lightning"s? Yeah, except as luck would have it that is ALL science has been able to create ". A microbe! Science has not created a single living breathing creature by ANY method, that has climbed OUT (emphasis) of the primordial petri dish, not one. Check it out yourself, I already have, no Films of science creating a living breathing insect, mammal, fish, crab, snail ". Nothing. They do have a picture of a microscopic thingy, but that"s all it is, a microscopic thingy. No Real Physical Pictures exist in the entirety of Scientific Studies that provides a photo or film of a living creature created by any of their proposed hypothesis.
That is significant wouldn"t you think? Nope, not to an atheist! See they can buy off on THAT kind of Magic ".hmm where have I heard that before??? Oh well I"m sure it will come to me!
So here's the big question? Why has science not at the very least tried to establish proof of the other possibility "God?
Well #1- IF we KNOW (emphasis) that it is necessary not optional for an ovum to be present to reproduce a living breathing biological creature(s). And we do know this right? Then we must also capitulate that in order for an ovum TO BE produced we require, an adult specimen to be already PRESENT AND OR EXISTING (emphasis) ", To provide that ovum.
This very much implies, leans towards, highly logically and irrefutably infers that a Living adult specimen was here first!
We know this because #2 there is absolutely no way that an ovum popped into existence, since not a single lightning strike nor Cosmic souping has been able to create a single ovum much less 8.7 million (number of species), nor has any scientific method succeeded in creating an ovum from scratch to this very day. And even to suggest that 8.7 million babies, hatch-lings or whatever formed and lay unprotected from the environment, would survive to adulthood is stupid in the extreme.
But the Biblical Text does state that:
Genesis account: Chapter 1 day 3
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky." 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth."
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
I submit Ladies and Gentleman; that God IS the only scientifically plausible explanation for Life"s existence upon the earth. Scientist already freely admit that they do not know how life began, Do those of us who KNOW GOD IS REAL (big-time emphasis) that would be 2 Billion people if the census is correct. Know how he did it? No we do not either, but we DO KNOW (emphasis) that He did!
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains HOWEVER improbable, MUST BE the truth!"
So you see, Science The collection of the greatest and brightest minds cannot dispute, Gods creation evidence;
Yes, I know what evidence, you say. And yet you freely accept science"s theories sans any real evidence at all?
Let"s look at the evidence some might claim doesn"t exist.
1.We are here, and we should not be ". At least according to scientific facts.
2.Science has proven that it takes ovum and seed to produce living biologic, creatures, there is just no other way.
3. Science has proven that all biologics begin life as babies, incapable of self-care.
4.Lastly Science has proven they cannot do the same with inorganic matter, nor organic if they sidestep the ovum or seed!
This is evidence Ladies and gentlemen not the kind of evidence agnostics and atheist want to accept or believe, but evidence nonetheless.
CamSox forfeited this round.
CamSox forfeited this round.
The theory of evolution with its myriad of reports fails to provide realistic origins. Despite experimentation over decades, science has come up empty. Nothing to support realistically any report they have generated. No doubt this comes as a huge surprise to the atheist of the world, still one cannot help but wonder, why no one to date has ever actually asked for proof? Real proof, not conjecture, supposition, guesses, hypothesis and the like. genuine in your face evidence like say ..... an actual animal?
Check it out for yourself. It doesn't exist, the absolute best the scientific community with it's stellar commisions of the top scientist of the entire world could produce was a microbe, a bacteria ..... sorry but that's a far cry from origin of life! You see science has nothing to show for their experiments but a huge bill and tons of paperwork, but..... not a creature in the lot. You see the animal kingdom is exact and specific.
Here's where people begin to feel uhmm, stupid? But it is what it is. Everyone is in the same boat we all bought off on sciences imaginings, their degrees and phd's doctorates and such that we forgot that degrees don't make you smart, just educated. We small undegreed individuals, though lacking in degrees still possess reason, intelligence, and the ability to percieve what is and what is not?
With all the awestruck enthusiasm of a schoolgirl at prom, we saw stars as the big brained super intellects told and explained to us how they created this microbe and the bacteria ..... we were enthralled to such a degree that for some of us, after the glow was gone suddenly realized, Hey, wait a minute, Microbes and bacteria become diseases sure but not animals? Hmmm, for life to reproduce you need an egg (ovum), you need a male to fertilize that egg and you need adults to care for the newborn ... hey waitaminute?
There you have it .... evolution 101, busted, can't reproduce animals, humans mammals, amphibians, heck you can't even grow grass without seeds???
Don't feel bad, nobody else caught that either. Tell me though have you ever actually seen any animal created by science without an egg? I mean seen an actual picture or one on film? Nope same 8.7 million species that existed in the first place science has added exactly zero species or creation to the animal world.
So this naturally begs the question Should we be teaching evolution as the origin of life at all, since it has been proven by science as impossible for it to have occurred? As to creationism? Certainly we should continue teaching it above all things .... why? Because it's the only thing that actually answers all the questions without leaving any question but one? How did God do it? Course He didn't tell us. He did tells us how it all started though, it's found in Genesis and it's the only creation story of all religions that's concise and to the point?
So now you see why the creation story should be taught? The facts proven by science are these
1. Life should not could not possibly exist upon the earth outside microscopic organisms, just like Mars, The Moon, Jupiter, Pluto, etc...
2. Life could only have been put on the earth as adults, with which to procreate, as males, and females are equally required for 90 plus percent of the species to reproduce, and seed is required for all plants, trees etc...
3. How? Miraculously, magically or through some unknown way life was created as it is to exist as it is, by a means far beyond sciences and human understanding to the present.
4: "When you eliminate the impossible, what remains however improable must be the truth" Arthur Conan Doyle
so you see, the miracle of the origins of life is that we are actually here, and 2 billion people know who is responsible, because God reveals Himself to those 2 billion, well most of the 2 billion, but that leaves 4 Billion people who haven't even bothered to think it through at all, just blind belief in a lie. Prove it for yourselves: You won't find anything though, some guy named Cobalt already tried and knows it don't exist, in fact during our debate on this subject he blew a gasket over my Rules;
Rule #1: REPORTS
Disallowed except as follows: Any reports must also be accompanied by video or photographic evidence, which shows claimed process in action, culminating in living biological creature. (Video and photographic restrictions apply).
Rule#2 VIDEO, PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE
Must be in Real photographs, live action, not animated or drawn. Must show progression from inception to a living biologic creature of the nature of, mammals, insects, birds or plant life. May be stop action, or time-lapsed as needed.
Before I begin talking about that, though -- I would like to agree with the opponent that there is a definitive lack of absolute proof regarding evolution.
Cobalt response: This is a fantastic point, except there is plenty of evidence supporting the theory of evolution. Does any of it live up to Pro's evidential expectations? No.
Now lets go deeper; As God created life, is it truly a surprise that he created all things with 2 basic elements? DNA and the Atom. By using DNA he was able to modulate the bands to create living biological creatures from a to z with a simple (at least to Him) shuffling of the bands in each code. shifting digital coding ever so slightly to create a different set of creatures male and female. Ins't this the reason the same DNA found in humans is also found in every other living thing in existence and not some stupid theory that we are all ancestors to trees, dogs, mice, whales, etc... isn't it entirely more reasonable that the actual reason is becaused he used DNA and DNA was not human specific, it was simply the mechanism with which He creates?
and everything else in the galaxy? created by the atom. The atom is so small it cannot be touched by human hands yet everything you see, touch, use, fly in drive in build with write with is all made up of these very untangible atoms. They just appear exactly where they are at the precise time you need them to. Isn't hat just alittle too convienient? Doesn't it at the very least appear that someone wants the atom to make things people can survive with. Ask any quantum physicist and they will tell you if the Atom was to suddenly release their bond to one another the entire cosmos would ...simply vanish immediately from view, **POOF** gone all of it every house, every tree, car, plane people would plumet from the sky .... no wait ..... people would find themselves in the vaccum of what? No planet, no sky no space??
C'mon that's way to sofisticated to be mere chance, accident after accident, lotto win after lotto win? Honestly who is it truly that is being naive? Yes people God is very real and He is holding each one of you accountable, and unless you repent your going to be in hell, and lastly in the lake of fire no exceptions. It doesn't have to be this way, He will save you if you just ask?
Romans chapter 10 does say: 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Revelations 20:The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
The time is constantly moving forward, and each day He calls someone to the throne of grace ... won't you come? The Lord your God said whomsoever will may come to the cross and recieve the gift of eternal life at no cost. Christs sacrifice paid the debt you could not pay, forgiving your sins past present and future as you begin a new life walking in the spirit instead of the flesh, He stands at the door of your heart, to any who will open the door He will come in and be with them and they with Him, you have only this lifetime to choose, it will be over as soon as the one person appointed to be the last gentile to be saved has accepted or the moment you die and leave this place. You have till then, Will he be your Savior or your Judge? That is entirely up to you!
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