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Arcanas
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really12
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Does Australia Exist?

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really12
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/8/2015 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 787 times Debate No: 73134
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Arcanas

Con

I've been getting multiple messages about this from my opponent, so I decided to challenge him.

Australia definition: "Continent of the eastern hemisphere SE of Asia & S of the equator area2,948,366 square miles (7,665,751 square kilometers)"
http://www.merriam-webster.com......

Exist definition: "To have actual being : to be real"
http://www.merriam-webster.com......

Full Resolution: "The continent known as Australia exists"

Please do not go into semantics with the definitions, like claiming it exists in ones mind. We are talking about whether the continent is real or not in objective reality.

Rules (Made by bsh1 and edited slightly):
1. No forfeits
2. Any citations or sources must be used within the character limit of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final round
4. Maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No unproven assumptions will be allowed in this debate
6. No K's of the topic
7. My opponent accepts all of the following definitions and waives his/her right to challenge these definitions
8. The BOP is on Pro
9. Both debaters must follow this format:
R1: Acceptance
R2: Arguments (No rebuttals)
R3: Rebuttals and arguments
R4: Conclusions (No new arguments or rebuttals in this round)
10. Violation of any of these rules or of any of the R1 set-up merits a loss of a conduct point and due to the severity of the breach may merit an entire forfeit of the debate

Thank you and good luck.
really12

Pro

Australia does in fact exist it is a continent known as Oceaniahttps://www.google.com.au...+

Australia's name is a pseudonym for its location, hence it being isolated, the first prime minister Sir Edmund Barton declared it "Australia" in 1901 with the federal constitution and referendum, it was on fact orginally entitled "New South Wales by the founding fathers (I.e. six British colonies - Victoria, Queensland, New South Wales, Western British Colony, Southern British Colony, Tasmania, Northern Territory) http://www.peo.gov.au...
Additionally, Australia has a written construction, and therefore is defined as feredation and thus a country. Australia also is on the globe and map and as such is also defined as a country.
Debate Round No. 1
Arcanas

Con

My opponent violated the rules. He posted arguments in this round while he was supposed to only accept as the rules clearly state. I'll wait to rebut arguments until next round, and I ask my opponent to follow the rules and wait to rebut mine.

Arcanas
Con
Thank you for accepting.

Currently no evidence exists to prove that Australia is real. My rounds will be mostly rebuttals, so I eagerly await my opponent's main arguments. My argument will essentially go like this:

P1: If there is no good evidence for a claim, it probably doesn't exist

P2: There is no good evidence for Australia

Conclusion: Therefore, Australia probably doesn't exist.

P1: This is just using logic. If there is no evidence for unicorns, we would believe they probably do not exist. Same goes for fairies, Bigfoot, etc... Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back them up. Australia is definitely an extraordinary claim, and thus must have evidence for it in order for people who reasonably believe it.

P2: This will be determined by what my opponent brings to the table in terms of arguments. Essentially, if I can't rebut the evidence or show why it's faulty then I'll concede this point.

The conclusion follows logically from the premises.

Thanks for reading, good luck!
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really12

Pro

My apologies for violating the principles of this debate.

You have not debunked my insinuations of Australian history and that it is clearly on the map. Therefore, you cannot continue this debate without proving that you have the inability to read maps nor that you know anything of history. How about googling Australia? Or looking it up on the map? My proof lies there.
Debate Round No. 2
Arcanas

Con

Arcanas forfeited this round.
really12

Pro

Since my opponent has not posted anything at all, I will interpret that they have conceded, I will restate that Australia clearly does exist and that it is clearly on the map as well as it being a federation. I stand corrected.

Map of Australia link:
http://www.australia.edu...

Map of Australia on Globe link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...(Southeast_Asia_centered)_(small_islands_magnified)_(Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands_special).svg/602px-Australia_on_the_globe_(Southeast_Asia_centered)_(small_islands_magnified)_(Ashmore_and_Cartier_Islands_special).svg.png

Australian Flag link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...

Australian constitution:
http://www.aph.gov.au...

Australian emblem:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...

Now that I have presented concrete evidence, hopefully this juvenile and nefarious "meme" can be vanquished and this website left to intellectual debates.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
Arcanas

Con

Arcanas forfeited this round.
really12

Pro

I conclude with the implemented re-statement of my previous argument. Thank you for your time.
Debate Round No. 4
16 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
@ClashnBoom,

Fair enough.
Posted by ClashnBoom 1 year ago
ClashnBoom
I'm not gonna jinx it.
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
@ClashnBoom,

Free win for whom?
Posted by ClashnBoom 1 year ago
ClashnBoom
Woohoo! One free win for me and maybe one for you.
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
Stating a country doesn't exist or implying it can be classified as racism by those who are offended (e.g. Australia has had no great accomplishments and therefore doesn't exist - Australia invented the army tank and the notepad therefore that examples slur is erroneous. In this case, "Poe's Law" was involved and as such this question is not classified as racist.
Posted by Arcanas 1 year ago
Arcanas
How is it racist?
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
Ah, just read the full definition of "Poe's Law" and I now understand that this question was never intended to be be malicious or comically malicious in any way on this site. I apologise for my inappropriate demeanor on this site and my presumptuous remark on America, I did honestly say but in a means of exasperation. I also apologise for my conjecture of the user(s) who posted this by accusing them of being racist, I withdraw every insinuation and imputation as well as inadvertent accusation I stated.
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
Here is another link to the map of Australia on the globe:
http://www.mapsofworld.com...

Oh, FYI, saying a country doesn't exist is racism whether it is intended as a joke or not.

My previous comment on America was a presumption, and therefore, I was stating that America does exist.
Posted by really12 1 year ago
really12
I bet America won't exist soon, their martial law, capital punishment, and nuclear arms will be their downfall.
Posted by Arcanas 1 year ago
Arcanas
@Ragnar it's not deleted (Unless there were two popular ones)
http://www.debate.org...
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Vote Placed by Le-vox-von-zhizn 1 year ago
Le-vox-von-zhizn
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Reasons for voting decision: They both broke rules but Con broke it twice thus the Conduct point. Pro also had sources which weren't unreliable except Wikipedia.