Does Evil and suffering prove that there is no God?
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Augustine of Hippo said that evil exists only as an absence of good. since evil has no positive reality of it's own, it can't be caused to exist therefore God cannot be held responsible, this is a view that may associate evil as an absence of God...
First I would like to start off this debate by thanking my opponent; may we refrain from our personal descrepancys and have an inteligent and well thought debate. It is with that I humbaly accept your challenge.
"If God is all knowing, all loving and all powerful then surely he wouldn't want to hurt us and he would know how to stop things like natural disasters?"
God is all knowing, all loving and all powerful, however, it was when Adam and Eve disavowed him by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil- according to Genesis 3- that they objectively caused Humanity to turn its back on God.
Protastant beliefs show that after the transgressions between Adam, Eve and Satan, God then cursedthe snake, Adam, Eve and even the earth itself, in what is called "original sin."
It is not that God does not know how to stop natural disasters but, rather, he can't for it is those exact disasters that we've seemed to be caused by sin. He cannot interfere because of it. It is because of their sin that we are being punnished and can only be brought from the sin through the salvation of Christ.
You make a very good point but wasn't it God who created Satan? ( As an angel) and aren't we told that God created us in his own image? Then how do we explain the fact that Satan rebelled against God and convinced Eve to eat the fruit off the tree?
if God created Satan, and Satan persuaded the first sin to occur then surely the sin was part of God's plan.
Or we can believe that there is no God and say that things like Natural Disasters have Nature to blame. After all, volcanoes are thought to have played an important role in the emergence of life.
Thank you for the nice debate :)
"Or we can believe that there is no God..."
To appropriatly debate this subject you must justify the existence of an entity that, to my understanding, you do not believe in.
Though I digress, listen carefully. Should anyone live in New-York City you will notice there is an abundance of Pidgeons in the City, however, you never see a baby Pidgeon. Does that mean that their existence is unlikely; that they just appear? No, you know that there is validity to the claim that there are baby pidgeons by presenting evidence to infer and confirm their existence.
Now, you may say that I've just proven there to be no God; I disagree. I would argue that there is validity applicable to the Bible when asked to give evidence towards his existence. Though the Bible was written by individual men years after the events took place, all of their accounts are similar.
In journalism, the most accountable sources are first person testimonies because they were there and they saw what happened.
"You make a very good point but wasn't it God who created Satan? ( As an angel) and aren't we told that God created us in his own image? Then how do we explain the fact that Satan rebelled against God and convinced Eve to eat the fruit off the tree?"
Though God did create us in his own image, he bestowed uppon us the gift of freewill. It was that gift that acted as a conduit of negligence and consequences that compelled Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was not God's intention to cause the first sin.
"...volcanoes are thought to have played an important role in the emergence of life."
The Bible says that God had also created life.
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