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Does God exist?

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Started: 12/19/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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This is how the debate will go (read very carefully):

Round 1
Turn 1: Rules and definitions (Con)
Turn 2: Acceptance and first argument for God's existence (Pro)

Round 2
Turn 3: Rebutal (Con)
Turn 4: Counter-rebuttals and extra arguments (Pro)

Round 3
Turn 5: Rebuttals and questions (Con)
Turn 6: Answer questions and rebuttals (Pro)

Round 4
Turn 7: conclusion (no rebuttals) (Con)
Turn 8: conclusion (no rebuttals) (Pro)


Debate positions

Pro: God exists

Con: God may exist, though is unconvinced. Con will try to rebut Pro's arguments.

1) Burden of proof is on Pro. I am not making a positive claim (that God does/does not exist) but I will try to rebut all arguments from Pro for God's existence.

Pro is making a positive claim (that God exists) once he accepts this debate. Though I created this debate, the debate is structured as though my opponent (Pro) created the debate, to make it fair.

2) If Pro or Con forfeit any turns, Con or Pro will have to likewise forfeit (respectively) to make the debate fair.

3) No one who is a troll and/or debates like a moron can accept this debate. Only those who seriously want to debate maturely can accept this debate. If a troll/moron debater accepts this debate, I automatically win.

4) Do not take advantage of any missing rules that could make this debate unfair. If there is a missing rule you would like added, please say so in chat (for anyone else interested in this debate, please look in chat in case of added rules).

5) Pro will be arguing for a deistic God (one that does not intervene in the universe, yet he still created the universe and is required for the universe to exist). Therefore, only deistic arguments are allowed for this debate (I.e. Logical arguments that aren't religious).

6) Keep all arguments precise and to-the-point. Preferably, arguments could be structured as follows (but doesn't have to be):

P1: A
P2: B
C: C


God: "the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being." I will also add that God is invisible, above laws of physics but not above logic. He is omnibenelovent, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient.

Truth: "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

Exist: "Have objective reality or being".

Evidence: "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

Deism: "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe."

Deistic: anything according to deism

That is about it. If you want anything changed, please say so in chat.


God doesn't exist as simple as that so by means of saying this, I won.
Debate Round No. 1


Actually, you broke rule 3), which disqualifies you and I win the debate.

Thanks for wasting my time.


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Debate Round No. 2


Well, since you haven't written a response yet, and you have forfeited a round, the prize goes to me! VOTE CON


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Debate Round No. 3


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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ssadi 10 months ago

To apply this method for the existence of a Creator, we choose the existence of the universe as the result. It is scientifically confirmed that our universe has a beginning. From the Cause-Effect principle we conclude that there necessarily exists a Cause for this beginning. Now we apply second step to get information about this Cause's behaviors, abilities and capabilities.
The universe started at a "point", so the Cause choosed the beginning to happen => the Cause has a free will, ability to decide between doing or not doing something. The fact that the constants in the universe, like G, are very precise & sensitive means that they are not just arbitrary numbers => Cause is also not just an arbitrary/coincidental cause.

The nature/universe is the result, so it cannot be the cause at the same time.

Considering all these and more we clearly see that there is necessarily a Being "responsible" for the existence of the universe. Analyzing the universe we clearly see that that Being cannot be the nature/accidents/chance etc. We call that Being as God.
Posted by ssadi 10 months ago
Cause-Effect is a fundamental principle of our universe. Let me give an example of scientific discoveries to show what methodology is used. Then we will apply the same method to show that a Creator exists.

Discovery of Gravity!

We all know how Newton discovered the gravity. An apple falls on his head and he starts thinking about WHY this apple fell. And this "falling" is not limited to apple, everything on Earth falls down. Falling of objects being the effect/result he started questioning the reason/cause that is responsible for this falling. He then concluded that since for every happening event there MUST be a cause/reason, then the cause/reason why objects fall down is because something, a force, pulls them down towards Earth. He named this force as GRAVITY. This is how the existence of gravity was discovered. Further he started to analyze this force to learn more about it.

He understood that this force is not only between Earth and other objects, but this force exists between any two objects that have mass. He examined how the objects fall and he found out that the strength of this force is related to the product of their masses divided by the square of the distance between them, and the relation is a constant number which is named as gravitational constant G. Then he derived the equations of motion. Sending satellites and spaceships to space became possible thanks to this discovery and those equations.

Today we all know that gravity exists, despite the fact that gravitons (mediators of gravity force) are still not found. Now we know how gravity behaves and more.

Comparing some other great discoveries one would witness how strong the principle of Cause-Effect is. The method is;
1. Existence of an result shows the existence of a cause.
2. By analyzing the result we can get information about the cause.

To apply this method for the existence of a Creator, we choose the
Posted by ssadi 10 months ago
Point 5 --> Rule 5
Posted by TheKryken 10 months ago
Well. Another wasted debate. Pro must have not payed attention to the sides being taken.
Posted by ssadi 10 months ago
I want to participate in this debate as Pro. I will argue that God created the universe and also controls it, which agrees partially to deism (Point 5), but we can still just ignore the part even if God controls the universe or not. So that the topic will be JUST the existence of God.
Posted by Berend 10 months ago
You can argue something like God, you just can't argue to prove it. Rhetorical discourse on the topical issue of "God(s)" is perfectly reasonable.
Posted by recondite 10 months ago
No point arguing the existence of something that can't be proven with physical senses. God may just be a mere illusion of reality.
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