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Does Islam incite followers to commit genocide, terrorism, and violence?

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Started: 8/30/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DavidMGold

Pro

The 'First Round' of this debate will be my formal challenge to my opponent to debate the issue of whether or not Muslims incite genocide against Non-Muslims (especially the Jewish people). Other issues would be violence and terrorism as it relates to Islam. My opponent is free to make and opening argument or simply accept the challenge. The winner should be apparent at the end of these 5 rounds based on the evidence.
Aeroeagle

Con

No, Islam itself doesn't incite followers to commit genocide, terrorism, and violence. It's the extremists who promote the wrong image of Islam. Ever since 9/11 people have been targeting Muslims, thinking they are terrorists, just because the terrorists who had caused it were Muslim. Extremist's have taken the wrong meaning of the concept of Jihad. Jihad, originally, was used to counter act the frequent attacks on Muslims, when the religion was founded. The verses that they say in the Koran, about violence were only used to make Muslims, rally and fight off the other pagan kingdoms, who attacked the Muslims. You see, people don't realize the true meaning of what Islam truly is. It is a peaceful religion, and not one of violence. As stated in the Koran, "Nor take life " which Allah has made sacred " except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)" (al-Isra" 17:33). These verse's from the Koran clearly shows that Islam doesn't allow the killing of innocent people. Islam does not advocate for violence. Don't judge a religion for who follows them, but for what they stand for.
Debate Round No. 1
DavidMGold

Pro

The empirical evidence speaks for itself:

On May 20, 2004, Saudi Sheik appeared on Iqra TV in Saudi Arabia explicitly saying of suicide bombings are acceptable and providing an Islamic basis for such attacks after he explained that non-Muslims in Dar al-Harb (all non-Muslim countries) can be freely killed. This is mainstream and broadcast in the Islamic world.

On May 24, 2004, Saudi Sheik Dr. Ahmad Bin Abd Al-Latif, a professor at Um Al-Qura University in Saudi Arabia, appeared on Channel One in that country allowed prayers to be given calling for the annihilation of Jews and Christians. He was asked a question about clerics and imams calling for their destruction and said it is allowed.

On May 21, 2004, Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris gave a Friday sermon in Gaza that aired on official Palestinian Authority Television saying: "Have you forgotten (suicide bomber) Hanadi (Jaradat) who avenged the death of her brother and fiance by killing dozens of Zionists? It is they who opened the gates of hell upon themselves. These Zionists will get many more black (body) bags. By Allah, we will show them no mercy. When Allah allows us victory over them, we will show them no mercy at all. What Sharon is doing now is not strange. What the Zionist Entity state is doing to our people in Rafah is not strange. They are avenging the deaths of their cowardly soldiers who were torn to shreds, here in the southern entrance of Gaza, in the Zaytoun neighborhood. They saw our children playing soccer with the heads and body parts of their soldiers. Our children do not fear body parts or blood, nor do our women and youth...(The Khalifa Al-Mu'tasem) used his army and sent a letter to the Byzantine king. You all know what the letter said. He wrote, demonstrating the power of Islam, "From the Head of the Believers, Al-Mu'tasem, to the Byzantine dog." This is how Al-Mu'tasem wrote, "to the Byzantine dog." Why is there no leader, why is there no ruler, why is none man enough to send such a message to the American dog, to the Byzantine dog of our days, to the oppressor dog, or to one of the dogs of the world? Why is there no ruler who will send a letter and enter history, "To the Byzantine dog, you son of a bitch, I have brought an enormous army upon you, that starts there and ends here.""

On May 14, 2004, Sheikh Ahmad 'Omar Hashem, the former president of Al-Azhar University, delivered the Friday sermon broadcast by Channel 1 of Egyptian Television saying, "The Koran has promised us, and its promise is a true promise, "They cannot harm you beyond causing you some slight injury, and if they fight you they will turn their backs upon you. They will receive no help from any quarter" Our Prophet made us a true promise, "You will fight the Jews until the Jew hides behind a stone or a tree, but the stone or the tree will say: Oh servant of Allah, Oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." When will this promise be, Oh Master of the Universe?"
On April 16, 2004, Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris gave a Friday sermon that aired live by Palestinian Authority TV stating, "We are in the midst of a great battle, Oh Muslims. Our battle with our enemy is great. It is much greater than what some of the politicians and the sharp-tongued imagine. Our battle is not against the Prime Minister of a Zionist government or against the jailer-government; this is a battle between Islam and unbelief on this land. In this battle, the crusaders united with the World Zionism."

On October 14, 2004, on Irqa TV in Saudi Arabia, in an interview with Um Saber t, a mother of a Palestinian suicide bomber, said "Allah be praised. I thank Allah for being the mother of a martyr. To be honest, I am angry and tormented and the sadness in me is the sadness of every mother who lost a son. But the pride of martyrdom" By Allah, I hope there will be more martyrs, that every day a martyr will die. I hope to see many martyrs. This makes one happy. There is a hidden something that makes you happy. I don't know what it is, it's from Allah. There is a hidden something that pushes you forward."

On January 27, 2005, on Channel 1 in Saudi Arabia, Saudi cleric 'Abd Al-Qader Shiba Al-Hamad, a teacher at the Al-Nabawi Mosque in Al-Madina, said, "When word came from Syria, the Prophet's companions convened and wondered what to do. One group said that they must be punished according to the punishment for fornication: A fornicator who was a virgin is flogged, and a non-virgin fornicator is stoned. A second group said, no. Let's put them" Let's behead them by sword " both his neck and hers" The man's neck" I mean the necks of both men are cut with a sword. Then they are placed on a coffin, and the coffin is burned. Their coffin is burned after they were killed. A third group said: Neither this way nor that. Let's climb to the top of the highest mountain and roll them down the mountain until they are killed, just like when Allah turned [Sodom and Gomorrah] upside down."

On May 13, 2005, on a Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority TV, Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris said, "With the establishment of the state of Israel, the entire Islamic nation was lost, because Israel is a cancer spreading through the body of the Islamic nation, and because the Jews are a virus resembling AIDS, from which the entire world suffers. You will find that the Jews were behind all the civil strife in this world. The Jews are behind the suffering of the nations." Also said, "We have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world " except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew."

On April 29, 2005, in a Friday sermon aired by Kuwait TV, Sheik 'Ali Saud Al-Kuleib said, "The Al-Aqsa Mosque has been lost in our times. It has been taken over by the enemies of Allah, the enemies of the prophets, the enemies of the messengers, the enemies of the Muslims, and even the enemies of humanity. You cannot find a single nation, a single country or people in the whole wide world who likes the Jews. Hatred of them is in the hearts of all people. If you say to someone - whatever his religion or faith may be " "you Jew," he will not like it one little bit. He will consider this a curse, an offense and dishonor, regardless of his religion. No one likes them. Allah instilled hatred towards them in the hearts of His servants. They took control over the Muslims."

On April 11, 2008, Hamas MP and cleric Yunis Al-Astal made an address on Al-Aqsa TV saying, "Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion, so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security, and consolidation of power, and even to conquests thorough da'wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world. Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our Prophet Muhammad. Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam " this capital of theirs will be an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread through Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, and even Eastern Europe."

On June 13, 2014, appeared on an Internet video declaring, "Allah said: "Fight them until there is no more strike and Allah"s religion prevails." The purpose of Jihad is to prevent strife. Jihad is not strife. Allah says that if not for Jihad, there would be chaos.Allah says that Jihad brings order. The shedding of the blood of infidels is for the sake of purification and security. We must draw a distinction between the concepts [f chaos and Jihad]. The killing of an infidel, the bombing of an embassy, the killing of US diplomats, or the killing of Rafidite Shiites do not constitute chaos. These are great, noble, and blessed steps towards order."

On April 30, 2013, Sheik Kamel Zarouq, a member of Ansar Al-Sharia in Tunisia, appeared in an Internet video saying, "I would like to declare loud and clear that the Al-Nusra Front, Ansar Al-Sharia, Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State of Iraq, and the mujahideen in Somalia, in Mali, and in Algeria " we all stand united against the enemies. Our goal is to support the Islamic nation, to support our religion, to elevate the shari'a, and to spread the law of Muhammad. Our goal is to pull the nations out of darkness and into light. Our goal is to instate the shari'a, and regain Andalusia and Jerusalem. The Prophet Muhammad said: "Rome shall be conquered." Rome will be conquered in our days.

On August 25, 2014, in a Friday sermon at Azuqueca De Henares, near Madrid, Sheik Saleheoldine El Moussaoui said, "[Allah] described them as killers, so their killing of our brothers in Gaza and in Palestine should come as no surprise. They killed the prophets, the best among mankind. The best people in the eyes of Allah are the prophets and messengers. Yet they killed them, showing no regard for pacts of protection. Allah said [to the Jews]: "Taste the punishment of the burning fire." This is what awaits them: the torments of the burning fire. Oh Allah, support Islam and the Muslims everywhere, and humiliate polytheism, heresy, and the infidels everywhere. Oh Allah, destroy the plundering Jews. Oh Allah, the Most Merciful, count them one by one, and do not spare a single one of them."
Aeroeagle

Con

You use examples as your key piece of evidence. However, you must take into consideration that the examples you provided don't represent an entire religion. There are approximately 1.6 billion muslims worldwide, or about 23% of the world. Your examples are just some of the 1.6 billion muslims worldwide. You may provide 100 more examples going your way , but I can provide 10,000 more examples going my way, so your examples are completely useless. Most of the muslims are peaceful, and some have even won the nobel peace prize. These include Anwar al-Sadat, Yasser Arafat, Yasser Arafat, Mohamed El Baradei, Muhammad Yunus, and Tawakel Karman. You must realize that who you present in your argument, speak for just some of the many, many muslims in the world.
Debate Round No. 2
DavidMGold

Pro

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Aeroeagle

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Debate Round No. 3
DavidMGold

Pro

Claim: It's the extremists who promote the wrong image of Islam. Ever since 9/11 people have been targeting Muslims, thinking they are terrorists, just because the terrorists who had caused it were Muslim.

Rebuttal: The wars, genocides, mass murders, enslavement, conquests, killings, rapes, and terrorism are the result of Islamic ideology, which demands actions and not just a belief. To put it another way, what promotes the "wrong image" is the Qu'ran, the Sunna, Islamic history over 1,400 years, Islamic jurisprudence over the past 1,400 years, the words and actions of the 'prophet' Muhammad, classical and modern Islamic scholars, Islamic Empires and Muslim countries, Islamic clerics and imams inside and out of the Muslim world, and multiple conflicts spanning three continents. It should also be pointed out that you find no other instance of this proliferation of terrorist groups worldwide that specifically cite the tenets of their "religion" as justification for terrorism. It is uniquely Islamic.

Claim: Extremist's have taken the wrong meaning of the concept of Jihad. Jihad, originally, was used to counter act the frequent attacks on Muslims, when the religion was founded.

Rebuttal: This is historically innaccurate and innaccurate according to the teachings of Islam based on the Qu'ran, the Sunna, and Islamic jurisprudence. I would submit you are speaking from total ignorance on the subject and inventing you own concept of Jihad. I will briefly demonstrate this falsity until it becomes necessary to turn up the heat on my opponent; the Battle of Badr easily disproves this claim because Muhammad ordered raids on the caravans of Meeca to provoke a battle with the Meecan army sent to defend them, he ethnically cleansed Medina (and Arabia) of three Jewish tribes because they rejected his prophethood and Muslims desired their possessions, and his ordering 43 known assassinations of poets for trivial offenses like insulting him or mocking him further makes self-defense a dubious claim. The Qu'ran and the Sunna command making Jihad, holy war, obligatory on Muslims to fight the whole world until all people embrace Islam or perish. There are 164 verses on Jihad and over 200 is Sahih Bukari alone.

Claim: The verses that they say in the Koran, about violence were only used to make Muslims, rally and fight off the other pagan kingdoms, who attacked the Muslims.

Rebuttal: This is a blatant lie and you are inventing events to fit your narrative. There were no "kingdoms" in Arabia attacking the Muslims. I would offer the following verse:

Al Tauba 9:29 - "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [i.e. Islam] among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians], until they pay their Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." As we can see, Muslims are commanded to fight people for not being Muslim with Jews and Christians having the option to live under Dhimmitude and pay protection money (Jizya) after being thoroughly subdued. How you can claim this to be a rallying cry for anything other than total war in the pursuit of Islamic Supremacism is brutally dishonest.

Claim: You see, people don't realize the true meaning of what Islam truly is. It is a peaceful religion, and not one of violence. As stated in the Koran, "Nor take life " which Allah has made sacred " except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)" (al-Isra" 17:33).

Rebuttal: This is a classic case of someone on the Internet expounding on subjects to which they know absolutely nothing about. Islam means submission, not peace. You also grossly conflate a short moral code for Muslims (the Ummah) in 17:22-27 to be the totality of Qu'ranic teaching and you deceptively give the implication it applies to all Muslims. The Qu'ran grants obvious exceptions for killing Muslims if they become apostates, commit adultery, or insulting the prophet. You ignore, for example, verse permitting terrorism against unbelievers in general (S. 9:73, S. 5:51, & 8:39) that call on Muslims to "strive hard" and "be harsh against them," "take not Jews and Christians for your friends," and "fight them until there is no disbelief (Al-Fitnah). 2:190-193 makes it clear that disbelief alone, not accepting Islam, constitutes aggression for Muslims and they must fight. Muhammad targeted civilians launching 64 raids on caravans from 622 to 633. All men (anyone above puberty) was put to the sword while the women were made war booty (sex slaves and we know Muhammad's example with Aisha). All civilians were killed when Muhammad committed genocide against the Jewish Banu Nadir and Banu Qurayza; the men (puberty and up) were beheaded and the women became sex slaves. Furthermore, we have killing and crucifixation (S. 5:33), casting terror by decapitating and mutilation (S. 8:12), defying Islam brings a "severe punishment" (S. 8:13), fight infidels until there is no more disbelief (8:39), prepare for war to threaten enemies of Islam (S. 8:60), and Islamic Supremacy (S. 9:33).

Claim: These verse's from the Koran clearly shows that Islam doesn't allow the killing of innocent people. Islam does not advocate for violence. Don't judge a religion for who follows them, but for what they stand for.
Rebuttal: Your single verse is clearly out of context and ignores the many verses I cited that demonstrate fighting and killing infidels through extreme violence is commanded of them. I haven't even begun to further crush this contention with the Sunna and other Islamic sources.

Claim: You use examples as your key piece of evidence. However, you must take into consideration that the examples you provided don't represent an entire religion. There are approximately 1.6 billion muslims worldwide, or about 23% of the world. Your examples are just some of the 1.6 billion muslims worldwide. You may provide 100 more examples going your way , but I can provide 10,000 more examples going my way, so your examples are completely useless.

Rebuttal: My examples are what constitute empirical evidence of my contention. You never bother giving an explanation, concede I can easily have more, and then allude to your examples being more numerous despite having produced any. So far you have nothing to substantiate your position other than repeating your assertions with redundant narrative. In the end, it is your baseless conclusion that proves to be useless.

Claim: Most of the muslims are peaceful, and some have even won the nobel peace prize. These include Anwar al-Sadat, Yasser Arafat, Yasser Arafat, Mohamed El Baradei, Muhammad Yunus, and Tawakel Karman. You must realize that who you present in your argument, speak for just some of the many, many muslims in the world.

Rebuttal: Most being peaceful is just a premise restated, but at least you gave me something to go on. I would argue that a Nobel Peace Prize is not without criticism nor does it insulate one against criticism. Your examples don't speak to the contention in this debate, but nevertheless allow me to refute. I have seen scant evidence for Sadat being an observant Muslim and he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize while his country launched the Yom Kippur War against Israel. Yasser Arafat was engaged in terrorist activities over half a century ago when he joined the Muslim Brotherhood and procurred weapons used by Army of the Holy War marking his career to destroy Israel. Arafat and other Muslim Brotherhood members founded Fatah (which is a word that means conquest). He personally led terrorist incursions from Lebanon and Syria. He established himself as a godfather of terrorism when in 1966 he used a roadside bomb to kill 3 Israelis and rocket strikes. Also, we should recount he also pioneered hijacking passenger airliners and the little saga called Black Septemeber pitting him against Jordanian forces that led to him setting up shop in Lebanon where the PLO could act as an independent state due to the weak government there. During the 1970s, he organized terrorist attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians; hijackings of airliners, bombing bus stations, Munich kidnapping and murders, ordering the 1973 Khartoum diplomatic assassinations, etc. He also took care to amass a $1 billion fortune he swindled from aid and other sources. On the Oslo Peace Accord, he told a Mosque audience that it was just like the Hudaybiyyah peace treaty, a 10-year truce agreed between Muhammad and the Quraish Tribe of Mecca. However, two years later, Muhammad attacked and conquered Mecca. He was the forerunner of Islamic terrorism. Kare Kristiansen, a Norwegian member of the Nobel Committee, resigned in protest at Arafat's award, calling him a "terrorist." Mohamed El Baradei help in the coup to topple Morsi and the brotherhood in Egypt and that deserves a prize, but not his joint award with the IAEA for mediocrity. Muhammad Yunus, you mention, was given a Nobel for Peace for microcredit? You fail to note that in Bangledesh, the government Islamic Foundation calls him un-Islamic and a spreader of Homosexuality. Thousands of Imams in his country have denounced him and led protests against him. He was kicked off the Grameen Bank Board for "sucking blood from the poor." The Islamic Foundation, is part of the Ministry of Religion, to promote Islam, has said his statements go against the Qu'ran and the Hadith. He has been called an apostate and worse. A word on Tawakel Karman; the Muslim Brotherhood party in Egypt, Al-Huriyya Wal-'Adala, has stated that Karman is a member of the movement and shares its ideology, father was a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Yemen, and she is a member of the central committee of the Muslim Brotherhood's party in Yemen.
Aeroeagle

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Debate Round No. 4
DavidMGold

Pro

You requested I forfeit since you missed a Round. Please go ahead.
Aeroeagle

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
sabrin100, I don't know what exactly your problem is but your comment is incoherent and as a result I have no idea what point if any you are making. At any rate, your only debate about Israel was incredibly weak and you can challenge me any time.
Posted by sabrin100 2 years ago
sabrin100
Islam is so violent and hostile that it took more than 100 years to convert the middle east , even after left Christian and Jewish communist , including Yazidis so that present day ISIS can finish them of . Same thing what is the Biddhist statue doing in Afghanistan ? Surely yester year Muslims who gave birth to Rumi and Al Beruni were far more civilized than ISIS and Taliban , By the way , while West howls about destruction of Buddhist statues , how come they said nothing about the destruction of churches during the French Revolution , then the Communist revolution . They also have nothing to say about taking down of Lenin Statues .
Posted by Aeroeagle 2 years ago
Aeroeagle
What the heck, it didn't post my argument
Posted by Aeroeagle 2 years ago
Aeroeagle
Sorry I had school commitments. I will post my argument in round 5. David M Gold please forfeit round 5 to make it fair, such as I did for round 3.
Posted by discomfiting 2 years ago
discomfiting
This is all post 9/11 mass social hysteria in form of islamophobia.
Posted by discomfiting 2 years ago
discomfiting
The bible tells you to kill every living thing from baby, infant, men, women, donkey, sheep; everything alive simply if one person is preaching a different religion. Christianity incites followers to commit genocide, terrorist and violence. Abrahamic religions are all the same in essence.

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
You are making up an absurdly low figure that minimizes the fact that entire countries have embraced the Islamic ideology in it's entirety. If I quoted Muhammad's words or his actions, amazingly al-insan al-kamil (the "ideal man"), would be among that fictional 1% or the companions of Muhammad who would undoubtedly fall into the category. I suppose the Qu'ran, the Sunna, classical and modern Islamic scholars, Islamic empires, Islamic schools of jurisprudence, and many Islamic countries today are misunderstanders of Islam. You are a good example of either an extremely dishonest person or incredibly stupid person. Christians never colonized India and we can look to Timurlane's Jihad against India for a mass genocide. Also, who invaded India in the 16th century and established the Mughal Empire that lasted until the 19th century? You obviously have no idea of racism Arab Muslims have for Africans, 112 perished and another 28 million reached slave markets in the Middle East. It is just a complete ignorance of history. Zakat is more of a tax, not charitable giving, but should I be surprised you get this wrong as well as failing to point out it can only be used for Muslims. I can give you entire lists of so-called Islamic "Charities" that have been found to be financing terrorism. One of the purposes of Zakat is to fund Jihadists who aren't part of an army. I could list charities in other countries in the West and in Islamic countries that are financing terrorism. One "charity" gave the Taliban $200 million. So please quit dissimulating with me. I'd crush you in a debate on this issue and expose much more.
Posted by khizr 2 years ago
khizr
@ DavidMGold : You only quote what 1% of the followers of Isam are doing and use that to prove Islam is bad, ignoring the majority. You make a good example of a narrow minded person. You should not judge a religion by looking at people who claim to follow that religion, but rather by what it teaches. Chrstians colonized India, vietnam, south africa and introduced racism, killed millions, this does not mean christianity teaches this. Do you know that charity is an obligation in Islam, which atleast 80% of the people practise, which puts muslims at the top when it comes to giving charity.

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Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Sorry, work obligations kept me from meeting my round 3 deadline.
Posted by LogicalLunatic 2 years ago
LogicalLunatic
Whew...for a moment I thought that Aerogant had returned.
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