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Does Mithrandir have the power to defeat Sauron in the Lord Of the Rings series

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Started: 7/1/2015 Category: Arts
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Aragon

Pro

First round : acceptance round.
Rounds 2,3 for arguing..
Round 4: no new arguments..

Definitions:

1. Mithrandir: A leader of the good in LOTR.
2. Sauron: Evil Lord.
Only if one has read the book then accept the debate.
EpicDodo

Con

Your challenge, one accepts.
Debate Round No. 1
Aragon

Pro

Yes I believe that Mithrandir has the power to defeat Sauron if they come in a one-on-one fight. The very fact that Mithrandir is the leader of the Fellowship of the Ring , proves that he is very powerful. Another quote which always proves right-:
" Good always trumps over the evil"..
A little of the history of Mithrandir.....
"The wisest of the Maiar, Gandalf was created by Il"vatar before the Music of the Ainur. At the beginning of Time, he was amongst the Ainur who entered into E". Here he became one of the Maiar of Manw", Varda, Irmo and Nienna named Ol"rin. By Nienna he learned pity and patience".
This passage taken from the official website of Tolkien's books proves that Gandalf(Mithrandir) was wiser than Sauron. If Con has read the Silmarillion, he/she would know that Sauron was created during the Music of the Ainur , but not by Ill"vatar. Gandalf was created much before the Music of the Ainur and so he is wiser and much more powerful than Sauron.

That , Con, is all I want to say for now. I eagerly await your response.
EpicDodo

Con

It is true that Mithrandir was created long before Sauron, and also true that he is wiser. However, being wise is not the same as being powerful. In the last years of the Third Age (when the Fellowship of the Ring was formed) Mithrandir has not got nearly as much power as Sauron, and even before he had doubt of his power, as shown in this quote from the official Tolkien website: " the Valar chose five emissaries from among the Maiar to go and help the peoples. Manw" selected Ol"rin, who, at first, did not wish to go, as he feared Sauron." There are a few reasons for his lack of power at this time:
1- Having peace for 2000 years, Mithrandir and the other members of the White Council had started to let down their guard.
2- As Saruman was corrupted early on by his lust for the One Ring, he intentionally held back Mithrandir from a position of greater power than he was in so as not to be discovered or opposed in his plight until he felt ready. Of course, Mithrandir quickly grew in power and Saruman was fearful, but neither of them were as powerful as Sauron.
3- Part of Mithrandir's power comes from Narnya, one of the Three Elven Rings of Power. However, Narnya can never be as powerful as the One Ring, and while Sauron is not in possesion of the One Ring, Narnya's power depends upon it, and it's power only grown when the One Ring's power (and therefore Sauron's power) grows. Not to mention that Sauron by the time of the Fellowship of the Ring has aquired 3 of the Seven Rings of Power of the Dwarf-kings.
It is also noteworthy that while there is little mention of them, their are the Blue Wizards, the 2 other of the Istari sent to oppose Sauron, who went with Saruman on a mission to the East were Sauron dwelt, of wich only Saruman returned. Their fate is uknown, however it is presumed they perished in their quest or became servants of Sauron, for it is unlikely that they would have survived and not come back, and then not been able to make any impact in the story. While as I mentioned their fate is unknown, if this fate is true (it is the only given one on the official Tolkien website), it could show that Sauron was already powerful enough to defeat two of the Majar. Also, Sauron's power was partially fed off Morgoth's old power and Sauron rose to much greater power through serving Morgoth as he was the only surviving Majar to serve under the Dark Lord, therefore got much more benefit from not having to share power, while Mithrandir had no power but his own to use and served with many other Majar under the Valar. And while Mithrandir did serve under Manw", Manw" was the Ainur with the most authority, but not the most powerful, for that was his brother Melkor (Morgoth).

In summary, while Mithrandir was created long before Sauron and was indeed wiser, Sauron had many more advantages in his history and at the time of the Felloship of the Ring over Mithrandir, and even some of Mithrandir's power derives from earlier plights of Sauron. Not to mention the corruption and betrayal of Saruman held him back greatly until near the end of the Third Age, and even then he had little time to build power.

That is my argument for now Pro, and I greatly anticipate Round 3.
Debate Round No. 2
Aragon

Pro

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EpicDodo

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Aragon

Pro

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EpicDodo

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by EpicDodo 1 year ago
EpicDodo
D'oh! just did the same thing.
I used the same site: http://tolkiengateway.net...
Posted by Aragon 1 year ago
Aragon
Oh wait... Im clumsy...
Here are the sources-:

1.http://tolkiengateway.net...
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