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subdeo
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Avelvetnightmare
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Does North Korea Have Concentration Camps? Or is it a Myth?

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Started: 3/28/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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subdeo

Pro

I want to debate with someone who believes that North Korea does not have concentration camps. First round is acceptance only, and the second and third rounds are for arguments and rebuttals. I intend this to be a short debate. Good luck!
Avelvetnightmare

Con

I accept, as the proposition, you can go first.
Debate Round No. 1
subdeo

Pro

For this debate, I will let quotes and links speak, primarily. You can see some satellite pictures of the camps [1], as well as quotes from various websites about these camps below.

North Korea has at least six Gulag camps, numbered 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, and 25 [1]. These numberings make me wonder if there are more we have just not discovered yet.

CNN says, "The commission of inquiry has examined satellite imagery, evidence and testimonies from more than 100 victims, witnesses and experts regarding North Korea. Some of the testimonies were held confidentially because of protection concerns for family still remaining in North Korea."
Survivors say, "We were forced to eat grass and soil" [2]

If you want more proof, just research survivor"s drawings of situations that they faced. {WARNING: The drawings can be graphic and disturbing}
Now do you believe that North Korea has concentration camps?

Sources:
[1] http://freekorea.us...

[2] http://www.cnn.com...

Other links:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
(The content in this link could be disturbing to some)
Avelvetnightmare

Con

Hello sir, while your evidence appears to be moderately valid, we must remember that the media of western countries has a history of severely blowing the human rights abuses committed by socialist countries out of proportion. For example, CNN is literally the propaganda Capitol of America. They do whatever they need to do to draw the attention of the General American populace. Im not saying that nothing they say has any truth to it, but we admit that there is a reason why the number of estimated people killed by Communism has skyrocketed from ten million in 1970 to one hundred million today. This same fabrication could be constructed today, the Capitalist world would like to paint north Korea out as a Totalitarian Big-brother esque Hellhole when in reality it's probably a lot more like Cuba, it just chooses to keep its borders shut and not allow itself to be influenced by the rest of the world. Im not saying there are not human rights abuses going on, but the types of injustices and tortures being portrayed in those drawings in your link are just pictures. They could have been drawn by anyone, and don't you find it just a little interesting how a such a large and prestigious news organization such as CNN chooses to bring up the topic of north Korean concentration camps and the injustices happening there, but totally choose to ignore how Fidel Castro has had over 300 assassination attempts (both U.S organized and U.S supported) in the course of his position in charge of Cuba.

In my opinion, North Korea is probably a lot more like Cuba, it just doesn't open itself up to the outside world very much. (Also I'm not saying there aren't human rights abuses going on there, I just don't think there are concentration camps.
Debate Round No. 2
subdeo

Pro

Although one source may be easy to reject, it is foolhardy to reject all available evidence for the sake of accepting some other idea that is threatened if the former is actually true.

Even though media does sometimes "blow stories out of proportion", in order for this claim to be false, more than just the media must be at fault. Not only has CNN reported on it, but many other news organizations [1]. Also, the country closest to North Korea, south Korea has received refugees who tell similar stories: North Korea has concentration camps which hold prisoners that are treated inhumanely, to put it mildly.

It is also a question of motives. Why in the world would the refugees all want to make up these horrific stories? How in the world could they come up with the same idea? The point is, too many people agree and have conclusive evidence that not only does North Korea have much poverty, while Mr. Kim Fats has all he needs and more in his palaces, but North Korea also has concentration camps.

The reason why the media chooses not to write as much about Fidel Castro is because he is dead. That is old news. North Korea is present day and current. From the perspective of a news outlet, the North Korea story is bigger because it threatens more lives and is relatively unknown. While the Fidel Castro story dates back to the 1960"s! Everyone knows about that.
People need to know the trouble that communism causes, like the necessary revolt and bloodshed ("rebellion of the proletariat").

Sources:

[1] http://www.express.co.uk...
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by subdeo 1 year ago
subdeo
Thanks, good debate.
Posted by Avelvetnightmare 1 year ago
Avelvetnightmare
you win
Posted by Avelvetnightmare 1 year ago
Avelvetnightmare
you win
Posted by thousandlogic 1 year ago
thousandlogic
yes, they have it. They have political criminal concentration camps. They have more than 3 of them. Children, Woman, Old people, and men are suffered by hardworking and tortures.
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