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Does free will exist?

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Started: 11/15/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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JealousyInducer

Pro

While some may say that everything we do is set in stone, decided absolutely by the actions and occurrences of people or things that came before us, I firmly disagree. The actions of humans are so extremely unpredictable, effected by so many billions, trillions of factors, that tracing back these lines of dominoes, so to speak, would be impossible. So, we do have free will. There is no machine or person that could ever find the factor that caused that person to act. Even if you could, it is undeniable that the final action that caused you to make that decision was you, and even if you were affected by other people it is still you who had to interpret these influences and you who would decide what to do with them. Your decision. So, yes, free will exists.
Mikal

Con

Actually I will take this the way it is. I will argue against free will. I wish my adversary good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
JealousyInducer

Pro

JealousyInducer forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

Since I think my adversary may FF all rounds, I will wait to the last round or until he responds to post my contentions
Debate Round No. 2
JealousyInducer

Pro

JealousyInducer forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

Since this is the final round and my adversary has dropped every round thus far, this will be a short debate. I am going to offer a brief contention and that is all. Since he has missed a majority of the rounds there is no reason to go really in depth with this.

Determinism.

There are different types of determinism, one being casual.

Casual Determinism - Causal determinism is, roughly speaking, the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature[1]

There are chemicals within our brain and things within nature that determine every action we make. I was going to go really in depth to this but there is no need. Essentially when you make a choice, you have to ask yourself why are you making that choice. You are not making the choice because you want to , but because chemicals within your body are allowing you to make the choice. When an action occurs and you witness it, the reaction you make is determined by brainwaves and chemicals inside of you. If you are in pain, your natural reaction is to defend yourself.

The truth is that the action is already occurring before you psychically are aware that you are making the choice. Some studies show that a brain scan can reveal choices you are going to make up to 7 seconds before you actually commit the action.

" In a kind of spooky experiment, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences reveal that our decisions are made seconds before we become aware of them. By monitoring the micro patterns of activity in the frontopolar cortex, the researchers could predict which hand the participant would choose 7 SECONDS before the participant was aware of the decision. "[2]

This goes to show that every action is being made before you are consciously aware that you are making it. Therefore making a decision is not our choice, but is a result of products and chemicals within our brain

Therefore the resolution is false.

[1] http://plato.stanford.edu...
[2] http://exploringthemind.com...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Invictus144 3 years ago
Invictus144
"The actions of humans are so extremely unpredictable, effected [sic] by so many billions, trillions of factors, that tracing back these lines of dominoes, so to speak, would be impossible."
Why is this impossible? A simple increase in quantity of factors, for example individual chemical reactions and brain cells leading up a decision, does not affect the truth of this fact.

"There is no machine or person that could ever find the factor that caused that person to act."
Why does this matter? Simply because you cannot directly trace every single aspect of the decision back does not mean that it does not exist. Everything in the universe is caused by something else, we know this from empirical evidence, and as a result everything happening in your brain has a cause, and as a result regardless of where it comes from, you don't have free will.

"Even if you could, it is undeniable that the final action that caused you to make that decision was you and even if you were affected by other people it is still you who had to interpret these influences and you who would decide what to do with them. Your decision. So, yes, free will exists."
How is it you? "You," in this case purely consists of the millions of brain cells and chemical reactions taking place within you to make the decision. How do you suppose we "interpret these influences?" It's not some supernatural force determining the way, it's our hormones and cells forming natural reactions to make a decision, all of which are determined by another cause.

So no, we don't have free will, and I find it impossible to argue otherwise.
Posted by Mikal 3 years ago
Mikal
If you change the resolution simply to. Humans have free will in decisions they make. I will take this.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for forfeit and Con used sources. Pro argued against determinism to support freewill. Con was able to quickly point out that the machinery of our brains are subconsciously making choices for us before we often before we are even aware.
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Reasons for voting decision: No need to provide extensive reasoning for voting in the favor of con. Pro forfeited, had poor grammar and syntax, presented a string of poor and incomprehensible arguments, and cited no sources. The winner is clear.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro FF'd all rounds. Con wins by default.