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astronerd0008
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speak_life
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Does free will exist?

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astronerd0008
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/1/2015 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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astronerd0008

Con

We are deterministic machines because we are made of deterministic parts (atoms and molecules). our brains are immensely complex however our actions are just input that is sorted and then reacted to and possibly stored in our memory. We are input/output systems that lack any randomness. We may be complex however we are predictable (ignoring quantum unpredictability) and thus have no free will.
speak_life

Pro

i believe that free will does exist because first of all we have the legislative that proves our free will...
Debate Round No. 1
astronerd0008

Con

legislature only stated that free existed to protect the modern criminal justice system. if the world knows that there is no free will then the entire criminal justice system comes into question because a person can be responsible for crimes they have not committed yet. the supreme court does not prove anything it just states that free will or the belief of it is essential to the American law system.

and please cite sources like that in the future
speak_life

Pro

there is no need to insist that free will is some kind of magical violation of cassuality. Free will is just another kind of cause. The casual process by wich a person decides whether to marry is simply different from the process that cause balls to roll downhill, ice to melt in the hot sun, and a magnet to attract nails, or a stock price to rise and fall. Free will does exist!
Debate Round No. 2
astronerd0008

Con

Full Definition of Free Will

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: voluntary choice or decision
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: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I am arguing that you are destined to do everything that you will do in your life before you are even born, that the entire universe is a very complex clock of sorts that can be predicted down to the smallest event (again ignoring quantum uncertainty).i am also arguing that there are not true choices only the illusion of choice, example

say you want to choose a fruit from a basket and you decide to get the apple instead of the orange. with free will there is a whole other possible future where you choose the orange vs without free will you were destined to choose the apple from the beginning based on past experience, what you were thinking or not thinking at the time, how the apple looked compared to the orange and other stimuli.

you said "there is no need to insist that free will is some kind of magical violation of CAUSALITY" and you also misspelled causality. You are saying that something beyond cause and effect is not in violation of cause and effect. that doesn't even seem to make sense to me or anyone else when you think about it.
speak_life

Pro

speak_life forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
Furyan5
The only possible example of an uncaused event in the entire universe is the big bang. And even that is debatable. What's makes humans any different? We may be more complex, but everything that happens in our bodies can be broken down to chemical reactions or electrical impulses. They determine the actions we take and the choices we make. Cause and effect is the status quo of the universe and everything in it. That includes humans. You may or may not have the freedom to do whatever you want, but what you want is predetermined. There is no free will.
Posted by Mike_10-4 1 year ago
Mike_10-4
Liberty (freedom) is part of life"s Unalienable Rights and part of the physical Laws of Nature.
https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by WorldSkeptic 1 year ago
WorldSkeptic
Forgive me debaters, I just realized the argument is a logical fallacy (Post hoc ergo propter hoc). Forget my intrusion.
Posted by WorldSkeptic 1 year ago
WorldSkeptic
Perhaps the debaters can take on this argument that I found recently:

Premise 1: Every Will that we have is based on a desire.
Premise 2: We cannot control the desires we have.
Clarification: No-one has ever chosen to experience physical attraction, or desire for food or drink, or for seeking truth.
Conclusion 1: Every Will that we have comes from something beyond our choice.
Posted by jrenn67 1 year ago
jrenn67
speak_life is right people can do what ever they want their actions just have consequences as a result.
Posted by jrenn67 1 year ago
jrenn67
you have control of your actions so u do have free will
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Vote Placed by ZacGraphics 1 year ago
ZacGraphics
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Reasons for voting decision: FF by Pro, and Con refuted Pro's small argument using dictionary definitions and going forth from there.