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stephannoi
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Forthelulz
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Does gun control countries are among the safest place ?

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Started: 11/11/2015 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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stephannoi

Pro

Hi Fortheluz i would challenge you to my debate about gun control.The statistic studies has proven that countries with gun control are among the lowest mass shooting rate.Such as in australia,there was a gun banned after the Porth Arthrur massacre incidents,and mass shooting never happen again.I guest we should have gun control in usa.
Forthelulz

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Gun control is one of those "We have the right to dakka, but how much dakka do we have the right to own?" questions. From the examples you provided, we're assuming all firearms save those grandfathered in are contraband.
Mass shootings are big, spread out events, compared to the dull throb of the simple routine firearm offenses, and are often done when the perp has been under the influence of meds. No, really, look it up.
Did you know that X out of X+1 people enjoy something horrible? (the +1 is the unfortunate it's happening to)
Oh, right, I accept the debate and whatnot.
Gun control is bad, people.
Debate Round No. 1
stephannoi

Pro

Okay you argue that guns can be used as a self defense as many american people like to say.Yes guns can be used as a self defense but it's also a killing tool for commit crime.Statistic study proven that guns use to kill family member more than criminal people.So gun owners can be dangerous in case of he is a felony or have prior mental health problem.I will send you the website showing how many mass murder cause by guns violence each year in america.Here is the link.http://www.gannett-cdn.com...
Forthelulz

Con

And exactly how many of those mass shootings take place with contraband guns?. Here's a fun adventure: You ban firearms. Okay. The law-abiding citizens disarm. Now they have no firearms to deal with the hit-and-run criminals (they commit the crime and run from the scene), and when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
What the presentations provided leave out is whether or not the guns used are contraband or not, but considering the perps, they probably are, or they're "borrowed" or otherwise not in the hands of a lawful owner.

Here, have some analysis of a couple gun-heavy towns in America.
http://fivethirtyeight.com...
And a "don't blame the lawfuls" bit:
http://www.newstimes.com...
Debate Round No. 2
stephannoi

Pro

Instead permit guns,we can locate police officer all over the public places so that protect citizen from criminal.They don't need await citizen for calling for help.Also in compare to australia gun was banned and school shooting never happen again.In USA school shooting happen every month.The reason why guns should not be in the hand of citizen to carry because there might be some people with problem with self control and some people might think it's a the best option to outlet angry with violence so they use guns to for a revenge against the bully,family member,or any person who they hated.So this can lead to unnecessary gun misused and abuse.
Forthelulz

Con

That sounds great... as long as there is nowhere foreign you can go to get guns. I know for a fact that some Japanese (they banned guns over there) go to Guam and pay Blackwater or an equivalent of a few thousand dollars to train them how to handle firearms. Smuggling will bring in the dakka then.

If you have a problem with self-control, you're more likely to buy drugs than a gun. If you do end up getting a gun, you're likely to be stopped by another armed person early on.

Or, to put it another way, God made Man, Sam Colt made him equal, and John Browning made him civilized.
Debate Round No. 3
stephannoi

Pro

Well,according to some studies prove that most active shooter buy legally guns from the shop or get them from their parents.For such as adam lanza.Nancy Lanza brought guns legally and her son went on massacre with her guns.
Forthelulz

Con

And regular criminals use illegal guns.
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In 2004, the government conducted its periodic Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities. It found that among inmates who had a gun when they committed their crime (16 percent of all prisoners), about 11 percent had bought the firearm at a retail store, a pawn shop, a flea market or a gun show. Another 37 percent had gotten it from a friend or family member. About 40 percent said they got it illegally on the black market, from a drug dealer or by stealing it.
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Source:
http://www.politifact.com...
Debate Round No. 4
stephannoi

Pro

While 37 percent is quite much i can say. if it's not because of gun,then what would you suggest is the main cause of gun violence that happen every month in USA ?
Forthelulz

Con

The main cause of gun violence in America is because of free speech.
Hear me out: People will walk by and see something they don't like. So they get violent feels. Most of them are civilized folk, so they continue on their way.
But not this guy. No, that offensive thing is directed at him, and only through his own intervention can it be stopped.
Check for a history of substance abuse or medication. Those things really mess up people's heads.
Then there's the routine turf wars between gangs that escalate into firearm violence, often using contraband guns.
If everyone's armed, people will think twice before doing something stupid.
Debate Round No. 5
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