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Does the Bible say to beat children?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/5/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Sandy_358

Con

I believe that the Bible doesn't provoke spanking as punishment for children, and that the Bible is often misinterpreted otherwise. Your goal is to defend your opinion that the Bible says to hit children as a method of discipline.
Phenenas

Pro

Answering this question is as simple as quoting the Bible. In the Book of Proverbs, one of the most important collections of Biblical wisdom and morality, it is said that beating of children is not only allowed by God, but encouraged. Let us read some excerpts:

"Those who spare the rod hate their children, but those who love them are diligent to discipline them." -Proverbs 13:24

"Do not withhold discipline from your children; if you beat them with a rod, they will not die. If you beat them with the rod, you will save their lives from Sheol." -Proverbs 23:13-14

The verses above are quite clear and unambiguous: if parents "spare the rod" (meaning, they don't physically discipline their children), they're allowing them to become spoiled and get away with bad behavior unpunished. The book even argues that beating them will save them from death ("Sheol"). That can mean a couple things. A rabbi would say that the undisciplined child will probably die an early death as a criminal, whereas Christians often translate Sheol as "Hell". Either way, these two verses, among others, make it pretty clear that the Bible says to beat children.

Sources:
The Bible, NRSV
Debate Round No. 1
Sandy_358

Con

I think that the "rod" doesn't nessisarly mean a beating stick. "Rod" could be translated to a staff, and if that is the case, then whoever leads their children, raise their children as productive, non-spoilt children. If "rod" is translated to "staff", then I think that the verse means that children should be lead to do the right thing, like how shepards use rods/staffs to lead sheep.
Phenenas

Pro

That's quite a stretch, Con. I understand where you're coming from, since many passages in the Bible are ambiguous or open to interpretation. But this isn't one of them. If you are not yet convinced, we must take a look at the language in which the Old Testament was originally composed.

The "rod" of these quotes is more precisely translated as "club", hardly a symbol of gentle guidance. Also, you ignored the explicit statement of "beat them with a rod" in 23:13. This is no mistranslation but is even stronger in Hebrew, the word being closest to "smite" in the English tongue. There is no room for allegory in this situation: the Book of Proverbs tells us to beat our children.

Sources:
http://www.scripture4all.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Sandy_358

Con

I guess you are correct.. You win this debate. Congratulations!
Phenenas

Pro

Thank you, Con!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 7 months ago
whiteflame
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Posted by PowerPikachu21 7 months ago
PowerPikachu21
@EXOPrimal Wrong side, buddy. Sandy (Con) was the conceder, so you should be voting for Pro.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 7 months ago
PowerPikachu21
"(almost) Every argument has its flaws. You just need the courage and information to find it" - Myself

A quote all debaters should follow, though I need to work on it myself.
Posted by Jonbonbon 7 months ago
Jonbonbon
Actually the book he cited is Proverbs which is among the few books that doesn't need to always be taken literally or usually says more after performing some exegesis. So con forfeited for nothing. That was still debatable. Proverbs is a book of proverbs not commands or rules. It would've been better to pull from Leviticus, which probably has some bit about disciplinary action and is meant to be taken literally because it was the ancient Hebrew governing system.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 7 months ago
FanboyMctroll
Beat the Jesus right out of the kids, these punks today have no respect for anyone, they talk back to their parents, they get into bad stuff and there is nothing you can do anymore because if you try to spank them they will call the cops!!

Get the strap out or the wooden spoon
Posted by Sandy_358 7 months ago
Sandy_358
I think that that method of discipline has it's time and place, however, the debate is about whether or not the Bible tells people to beat their kids.
Posted by David_Debates 7 months ago
David_Debates
What's wrong with spanking your kids?
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Reasons for voting decision: Con concedes that the Bible teaches to beat children, so Arguments to Pro by default. Only Pro used links, so Sources to him.