Donald Trump (PRO) VS Hillary Clinton (CON)
Debate Rounds (4)
FIRST ROUND: ACCEPTANCE
SECOND ROUND: ARGUMENTS
THIRD ROUND: REBUTTALS
FOURTH ROUND: REBUTTALS & CONCLUSIONS
Why Donald Trump should win:
1. Comprehensive and Common-Sense Immigration Reform
The Trump Immigration Plan revolves around three core principles.
a. A nation without borders is not a nation.
We must construct a wall along the southern border and increase border security (in fact, triple it) to prevent illegal immigration. The wall will only be 1,000 miles long (as there are natural boundaries as well) and it will cost around $10-$12 billion. Mexico has allowed this to happen; they've published pamphlets explaining how to cross the border illegally and they've collected billions in remittances. This cannot continue.
b. A nation without laws is not a nation.
The government must enforce immigration laws that are already in place. Donald Trump will implement a nationwide e-verify system, defund sanctuary cities, enhance penalties for overstaying a visa, end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, and deport all criminal aliens.
c. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation.
The issuance of green cards to foreign workers will occasionally be paused to ensure the employment of domestic workers and legal immigrants. Trump will also crack down on welfare abuse and will implement a program to help children without parents move to safer homes and communities.
2. Second Amendment Rights
a. Enforce gun laws in place.
We must implement a program similar to that in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. If a violent felon used a gun for criminal intent, they would go to prison for five years with no parole or early release. Gun violence decreased by 60% in two years. We should also encourage law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves.
b. Fix our mental health system.
To prevent mass shootings committed by the mentally unstable, we must expand treatment and remove those who are a danger to themselves and others from the streets.
c. Defend our rights.
Gun and magazine bans never work; law-abiding citizens should be able to choose whichever firearm they want to defend themself with. Furthermore, a concealed weapons permit should be accepted in all fifty states rather than the state of origin.
3. Because Hillary Clinton CANNOT win
a. Repeated scandals and lies.
On September 11, 2012, an American embassy in Benghazi, Libya was attacked. Hillary was criminally negligent, and on top of that, she stated that the attack was the fault of an Internet video. She then told the Egyptian prime minister that the attack in Libya was a planned attack that had nothing to do with a video. After that, she lied to the families of the Benghazi victims, telling them that their relative's death was caused by a video. On March 10, 2015, Hillary said that there was no classified information on her personal email server. When under review, at least 2,101 classified emails were found and 22 emails contained top secret information. Hillary also stated that the use of her private server was approved, however, it was not; she did not request permission whatsoever.
b. She's been endorsed by the KKK and she supported Margaret Sanger
Donald Trump is not the only KKK-endorsed candidate. William Quigg, Grand Dragon of the California KKK, affirmed his support for Hillary and said that they have donated $20,000 to her campaign. Furthermore, she claimed to admire Margaret Sanger, a racist who called for the extermination of African-Americans by implementing similar eugenics programs to those used in Nazi Germany.
Now for a rebuttal to your arguments:
"Clinton has experience with public office and knows what she is doing. Trump on the other hand is a business leader who has exploited and conned people for his own gain."
And what has she done with her time in public office? Her campaign website lists seven of her 'biggest' accomplishments. Let's take a closer look at them.
1. Fought for children and families for 40 years and counting.
Really? What about the time she defended the rapist of a twelve year old girl and then laughed when discussing how he got off without any charges? Is she not one of those children? What about the LGBT families she was against in 2004, when she gave a speech in opposition of same-sex marriage? Or when she declared in Albany that New York should not recognize same-sex couples? I suppose they don't count as families either? What about the unborn child, who she recently declared does not have constitutional rights (whether you agree or not)? The point is, Hillary only fights for women and children when it helps her and makes her look good - very similar to what you called Trump out for ("exploited and conned people for his own gain").
2. Helped provide millions of children with healthcare.
I don't think so. Ever heard of CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program)? Hillary gives herself credit for it, yet the Clinton Administration was originally against it. Furthermore, she had no role in writing the legislation and it is said that she 'may' have advocated for it in the White House, but that's about it. The real credit goes to Sen. Ted Kennedy. Sounds like she's conning the public by exploiting Kennedy's accomplishment.
3. Helped get 9/11 first responders the healthcare they needed.
Probably the most semi-honest accomplishment! She 'helped' get them healthcare, keyword there is 'helped' because she didn't have all that much to do with it. The legislation passed long after she left the Senate. Once again, exploiting someone else's accomplishment and conning the public.
4. Told the world that "women's rights are human rights".
In other words, she gave a speech. You can only really count it as an accomplishment if what she advocated for took place afterwards. For example, Kennedy is given some credit for the moon landing because he gave a speech about sending a man to the moon, and Reagan is given some credit for the Berlin wall being brought down because he gave a speech urging Gorbachev to tear it down. After Hillary gave that speech in Beijing, two activists were punished and women's reproductive rights did not improve; things like forced abortions for population control continued.
5. Stood up for LGBT rights.
Like I said before, she was originally against same-sex marriage, she claimed that New York should not recognize it, and during her 2008 campaign, she only fought for same-sex civil unions rather then marriage. It surely appears that on issues like LGBT rights, she only sides with whichever view is most popular for her own gain. She's conning us and the LGBT community.
6. Helped expand healthcare and family leave to military families.
Another semi-honest one! She 'helped' the military families? Name one senator who hasn't claimed to do the same.
7. Negotiated a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
Yes, she ended a week-long conflict. But what about how she destroyed Libya? What about when she was criminally negligent and lied about Benghazi? What about when she did NOT reset relations with Russia as she promised with a misspelled present to the Russian foreign minister?
You claim that Trump has conned people and exploited them for his own gain. I'll admit that there is some truth in that, like the Trump University lawsuit; but Clinton has her fair share of exploiting and conning others.
"The rest of the world will not take us seriously if we elect Trump."
Really? Vladimir Putin said, according to the Hill, said that Donald Trump is "a really brilliant and talented person, without any doubt... he's the absolute leader in the presidential race". A Russian newspaper says Trump is "anti-mainstream and self-confident", and that he doesn't "feel constrained by political correctness".
"Trump has criticized free trade deals such as NAFTA, which helped our economy."
So has Hillary. When she ran for Senate, she said NAFTA was "flawed". In 2008, her campaign website said that NAFTA "has not lived up to its promises".
"[Trump] wants to ban Muslims from the country which will not help combat terrorism contrary to what he thinks."
Trump's idea of a Muslim ban has changed from when he announced it to now. The ban now applies to countries where terrorists have a large influence over the population. When asked if he would allow Scottish Muslims to legally immigrate here, he replied "it wouldn't bother me". Look at what happened to Europe after they let Syrian refugees in and tell me that won't happen if we let them in - which Hillary supports. It would seem Hillary's plan would be more of a security threat than Trump's plan.
"Clinton is the practical sensible choice."
But a lot of the things you said about Trump either apply to Clinton or are only partial truths. You said Clinton has more experience, but she has not done anything especially substantial (or positive, I should say) with her time in various offices. You accused Trump of exploiting and conning others, yet Clinton has done the same. You brought up Trump's criticism of NAFTA, when Hillary has criticized it more and more ever since it was passed in 1993. You claimed the Muslim ban will not combat terrorism, yet it is far superior to Clinton's plan to allow refugees from Syria into the United States.
SOURCES (this round):
Point 2: I don't have much to argue about on this. These are good ideas. Though I would argue that people on the no fly list should not be able to buy a gun this seems like common sense.
Point 3:. Hillary Clinton was investigated and no wrongdoing was found she made a mistake and tried to cover it up it isn't like she is the first politician to do this.
Point 2: I think you're missing the point - you're supposed to be arguing for Hillary on gun control (Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton). Hillary supports certain gun and magazine bans and she would most likely side with President Obama on his criticism of Project Exile. The only Second Amendment point I made that they agree on is the expansion of mental health treatment and preventing individuals on the no fly list from purchasing guns.
Point 3: Quite the contrary; it was illegal to have a private server in the first place. On top of that, it is verified that there was classified information on that server. Saying she covered it up (aka lied) and that she is not the first to do this does not justify anything. You also did not respond to my argument about Hillary's not-so-secret racism. I cited this video already, but I'd like you to watch it and see for yourself who the real Hillary is: https://www.youtube.com...
Before I conclude, I'd like to personally thank you for this debate.
Source: http://www.newsweek.com... I used this earlier but I wanted it to be easy to find.
Point 2: I couldn't argue for Hillary on gun control because I don't agree with most of her statements I can't argue for something I don't think is right sorry if this messed up the debate.
Point 3: Hillary Clinton was investigated by the FBI and was not found guilty of criminal charges I tend to agree with them on these matters. I pointed out that other politicians have covered things up to show that we wouldn't investigate this long on anyone else. In conclusion Trump's policies are expensive and ineffective and he is just as untrustworthy as Clinton. Thank you, I enjoyed this debate.
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