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Started: 5/19/2016 Category: Economics
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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sydney1122

Pro

Donald trump wouldn't be very good for the united states in some ways. even though I live in Canada, I wouldn't want Donald trump for president in many reasons. one reason is that he cares to much about his hair and wealth to care about the country. I Orson think if barrack abeam could and was aloud to stay the president of the united states. Another reason is that Donald Trump is kind sounding like Hitler. We do not want to start another War. This Work is going downhill and Donald Trump will only make it worse.
Who knows maybe he will be good but how its sounding it dosnt look very good to me.
Ariesz

Con

Now, I hate Trump as much as anybody. One can just look at his stances, and see how childish they are. But, Donald Trump is changing his views for the general election. This tells me that Donald Trump does not truly believe in what he has claimed during the Republican Primary. Lets look at the stances.
-Trump has stated that he is look forward to increasing the minimum wage.
-Trump has stated that he wants to start taxing hedge fund managers which is a step in the right direction.
-Trump has also flirted with the idea of changing his policy towards immigrants and Muslims.
-Trump has also stated that America should not be involved in Syria.
-Trump does not want to cut Social Security spending.
=Trump agrees with Obamacare.
-Trump is against the outsourcing of jobs.
-Trump is for transgender/gay rights.
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This tells me that Donald Trump is not as radical or dumb as people have made him out to be. He is from New York, and has been very liberal for a very long time. One can see in the 1980s to 1990s that he held liberal positions. In this election, we are trying to pick out the which one is the lesser of two evils. We already know where Hilary Clinton stands. We already know that she is a basic right winger economically, and on foreign policy wise. Donald Trump has gone to the left, and there is evidence that suggests he is liberal.
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Donald Trump is the establishment.
Evidence:
Donald Trump has had many encounters with the establishment, and has tried to court them.
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Two separate sources close to Trump"s campaign added that his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, reached out to Adelson"s political adviser, Andy Abboud, to set up a face-to-face July meeting in Las Vegas between their bosses.
Adelson later backed out. And last month, when POLITICO reported that Adelson was leaning toward supporting the GOP presidential campaign of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, whose hawkish foreign policy views align closely with Adelson"s, Trump lashed out at the senator and his potential patron.
"Sheldon Adelson is looking to give big dollars to Rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet. I agree!" Trump tweeted.
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A similar pattern unfolded with Singer, a politically influential New York hedge fund billionaire who also is an ardent Israel hawk. Back in March, when Trump was still publicly toying with running for president, Kushner reached out to one of Singer"s representatives to try to broker a meeting between the representative and Trump, according to a source familiar with the interaction. Kushner indicated that Trump was laying the groundwork for a campaign and suggested Singer"s representative might want to hear about the plans.
But a few days after Singer declared his support for Rubio on Friday, Trump went on the attack.
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The Trump campaign sought access to the political and public policy network helmed by the Koch brothers. Trump"s aides detailed his policy positions for the Kochs and their donors in a survey put together by Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, the group that coordinates the Koch network and hosts its twice-a-year donor gatherings.
But when Trump was not among the five candidates invited to the Koch donor gathering in August at which the survey was distributed to donors, he unleashed some serious snark at his rivals who were included R13; Rubio, Walker, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz and Carly Fiorina.
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All of this evidence supports the fact that Donald Trump is an establishment candidate. He is manipulating his voters. That is basically what a lot of politicians do during elections. Trump has perfected that art, and was able to beat 15 candidates at it.
There is also more evidence that further reveals how establishment Donald Trump really is. Paul Manafort is one of Trump's top aides. There has been a tape that has been leaked which proves that Trump is very establishment. In an effort to build a bridge between the GOP establishment and Trump, Manafort calms down GOP worries, and says that Trump is playing a character. He is trying to complete the first phase which was to win the Republican primary. He will re-invent himself after he wins the Republican primary. I will link the video in the sources part of the case.
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Will Trump be a good president?
Good-to be desired or approved of, having the qualities required for a particular role
President- the elected head of a republican state
He does have the qualities of getting the particular role. He has shown that he has been able to manipulate a large group of people, and make them believe that he is something he is not. Millions of people today think that Trump is anti-establishment. That is the exact opposite of what he is. In his book(The Art of the Deal), he says that being in the public eye is always a good thing whether good or bad. Being known helps one stay relevant. He was able to give the media a great story. My opponent agrees that Trump has been able to dominate the media. Trump has proven his intelligence, and his ability to con Americans. But, my opponent could ask how this translates to having the qualities of the president.
What are the qualities of a president? One would have to judge what previous presidents have done. The qualities I believe would be to:
-Further American interests.
-Working with the senate.
Trump will likely continue where Obama and Bush left off. Trump is an establishment Republican. He likely holds the same views as establishment Republicans.
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Now, I have a few questions that I would like my opponent to answer.
-How many policies that you have listed in your case do you actually think Donald Trump will pass?
-Do you believe that Donald Trump has shown his intelligence throughout his life?
-Do you believe that Donald Trump is establishment?

Sources
http://www.newsmax.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
http://www.nbcnews.com...
Debate Round No. 1
sydney1122

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Ariesz

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by TheDonaldIsDaddy 6 months ago
TheDonaldIsDaddy
This was not a debate both sides were anti trump. One side used the emotional "he sounds like Hitler" argument which is a fallacy and completely wrong.
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