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richarddong
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ishallannoyyo
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Dragons are better than pigs

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ishallannoyyo
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/24/2012 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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richarddong

Pro

Dragons are huge and strong.

There are nine major types of Chinese dragons.
These include the horned dragon,the winged dragon, the celestial dragon (which supports and protects the mansions of the gods), the spiritual dragon (which generates wind and rain for the benefit of mankind), the dragon of hidden treasures (which keeps guard over concealed wealth), the coiling dragon (which lives in water), and the yellow dragon (which once emerged from water and presented the legendary Emperor Fu Shi with the elements of writing).
The last of the nine is the dragon king, which actually consists of four separate dragons, each of which rules over one of the four seas, those of the east, south,west, and north.
A monster of enormous size, common to almost all countries. Descriptions of its appearance vary, but it is of reptilian nature, often red or green in color, sometimes with several heads that spew fire and vapors, and a large tail, not unlike some dinosaurs.

The dragon, however, is best known in legendary history as the monster whose duty it is to provide the hero with opportunities of valorA dragon is a legendary creature, typically depicted as a large and powerful serpent or other reptile, with magical or spiritual qualities. The various figures now called dragons most likely have no single origin, but spontaneously came to be in several different cultures around the world, based loosely on the appearance of a snake and possibly fossilized dinosaur and Tertiary mammal megafauna remains. Chinese dragons (among others) or Long are generally seen as benevolent, whereas European dragons are usually malevolent. However, malevolent dragons are not restricted to Europe and also occur in Persian mythology and other cultures.

Malevolent dragons are prominent figures in Christian belief. In Revelation 12:3, an enormous red dragon with seven heads is described, whose tail sweeps one third of the stars from heaven down to earth (held to be symbolic of the fall of the angels). The Latin word for a dragon, draco, actually means snake or serpent and is so connected to the Christian association of snakes and the Devil.

In medieval symbolism, dragons were often symbolic of apostasy and treachery, but also of anger and envy, and eventfully symbolized great calamity. Several heads were symbolic of decadence and oppression, and also of heresy. They also served as symbols for independence, leadership and strength. Colors often determined the symbolism a dragon carried. In the hero's journey pattern, dragons represented fear. Dragons are often held to have major spiritual significance in various religions and cultures around the world. In many oriental cultures dragons were, and in some cultures still are, revered as representative of the primal forces of nature and the universe.

In European mythology, a dragon is a serpent-like legendary creature. The Latin word draco, as in the constellation Draco, comes directly from Greek, dr"kōn. The word for dragon in Germanic mythology and its descendants is worm, meaning snake or serpent. In Old English wyrm means "serpent", draca means "dragon". Though a winged creature, the dragon is generally to be found in its underground lair, a cave that identifies it as an ancient creature of earth, like the mythic serpent, that was a source of knowledge even in Eden. Likely, the dragons of European and Mid Eastern mythology stem from the cult of snakes found in religions throughout the world.

Many modern stories represent dragons as extremely intelligent creatures who can talk, associated with (and sometimes in control of) powerful magic. Dragon's blood often has magical properties: for example it let Siegfried understand the language of the Forest Bird. The typical dragon protects a cavern filled with gold and treasure and is often associated with a great hero who tries to slay it, but dragons can be written in to a story in as many ways as a human character. This includes the monster being used as a wise being whom heroes could approach for help and advice.

It it is theorized that western dragons have descended from Roman dragons. Roman dragons evolved from serpentine Greek ones, combined with the dragons of Persia, in the mix that characterized the hybrid Greek/Eastern Hellenistic culture. The later Babylonian dragon worshiped by the court of the Persian Cyrus the Great, in the Hebrew narrative in Bel and the Dragon probably dates to the late 2nd century BCE. John's Book of Revelation " Greek literature, not Roman " describes Satan as "a great dragon, flaming red, with seven heads and ten horns". Much of John's literary inspiration is late Hebrew and Greek, but John's dragon, like his Satan, are both more likely to have come originally through Persia. Perhaps our distinctions between dragons of western origin and Chinese dragons are arbitrary.

Though the Latin is draco, draconis, it has been supposed by some scholars, including John Tanke of the University of Michigan, that the word dragon comes from the Old Norse draugr, which literally means a spirit who guards the burial mound of a king. How this image of a vengeful guardian spirit is related to a fire-breathing serpent is unclear. Many others assume the word dragon comes from the ancient Greek verb derkesthai, meaning "to see", referring to the dragon's legendarily keen eyesight. In any case, the image of a dragon as a serpent-like creature was already standard at least by the 8th century when Beowulf was written down. Although today we associate dragons almost universally with fire, in medieval legend the creatures were often associated with water, guarding springs or living near or under water.

Other European legends about dragons include "Saint George and the Dragon", in which a brave knight defeats a dragon holding a princess captive. This legend may be a Christianized version of the myth of Perseus, or of the mounted Phrygian god Sabazios vanquishing the chthonic serpent, but its origins are obscure. It is possible that the dragon legends of northwestern Europe are at least partly inspired by earlier stories from the Roman Empire, or from the Sarmatians and related cultures north of the Black Sea. There has also been speculation that dragon mythology might have originated from stories of large land lizards which inhabited Eurasia, or that the sight of giant fossil bones eroding from the earth may have inspired dragon myths.

Dragons are well-known in Catalan myths and legends, in no small part because St. George (Catalon Sant Jordi) is the patron saint of Catalonia. Like most dragons, the Catalan dragon (Catalan drac) is basically an enormous serpent with two legs, or rarely, four, and sometimes a pair of wings. As in many other parts of the world, the dragon's face may be like that of some other animal, such as a lion or bull. As is common elsewhere, Catalan dragons are fire-breathers, and the dragon-fire is all-consuming. Catalan dragons also can emit a fetid odor, which can rot away anything it touches.

The legend of Saint George and the dragon is well-known in Italy. But other Saints are depicted fighting a dragon. For instance, the first bishop of the city of Forl", named Saint Mercurialis, killed a dragon and saved Forl". So he often is depicted in the act of killing a dragon.
ishallannoyyo

Con

I thank my opponent for his argument which was largely plagarized off a variety of websites (just copy paste some the paragraph's into Google), and it seems that I will be forced to argue semantically as my opponent has clearly set up this debate as a "troll". Clearly, the "better" that my opponent is thinking about is "cooler", however, none of the terms have been defined. I will take the liberty of defining them as my opponent has failed to do so.

Better - of superior quality or excellence
Dragons - a mythical monster generally represented as a huge, winged reptile with crested head and enormous claws and teeth, and often spouting fire (my opponent never specified if we were to assume dragons exist, thus this is their proper definition)
Pigs - any animal of the genus Sus within the Suidae family

Now, we see from the definitions that have been laid out (which unfortunately my opponent cannot argue as he DIDN'T provide definitions, thus we will use mine), we see that is impossible for a dragon to be of superior quality or excellence than pigs because dragons do not exist. They are mythological creatures that have never been sighted and are clearly fictious. However, pigs are not fake. They typically live on farms and we even use pigs to create insulin.

I have established that dragons do not exist and pigs do exist. Thus, something that exists is clearly of superior quality or excellence than something that does not. It is simply illogical to say: "My flying pony dog which shoots rainbows from it's rear is better than my coat," because the coat exists, the flying pony dog does not. Something that does not exist cannot have quality. Clearly, a pig exists and thus is better than something that is non-existent. Vote Con.

SOURCES:
1. www.dictionary.com
2. Google "pig"

Debate Round No. 1
richarddong

Pro

I was talking about how informations about dragons. Pigs are useless they only provide food. Have you watched HOW TO TRIAN YOUR DRAGON. Dragons can assist people. Pigs don't fly too.

How do pigs protect us? First of all they do nothing all we do is just to kill them. That is the only thing we do to pigs. For Dragons were talk about their lives. We make stories out of the for little kids. These stories pass down from generations to generation.

When pigs have a keen sense of smell, they do not warn people. They just walk around. First, they just eat your food, sleep, and poo. They do not do anything. Your first argument is invalid.

And i am saying that Dragons are better than pigs. If you say that dragons are not real than how do they eat Humans?

And i have proof that they were real:http://answers.yahoo.com......
There are three ways that dragons can exist. The first is symbolically, as an idea or a philosophy.While these can have every bit as much of an impact on the world as a truely monstrouse beast, perhaps even more, it is a less overt, direct exisence.

The second is by definition. On earth there can be found a creature known as teh Komodo Dragon. A large dangerouse predator lizard, it has the name dragon, and yet is not considered one in a traditional sense. On other planets, there are many creatures which ahve evolved with characteristics similar to that of a traditional dragon from human lore. Unfailingly these are categorized by human scientists along various biological features, completely overlooking the obvious similarities these independently occurring species have to one another, and to the traditional dragon. The large, fire breathing, flying lizard, with a penchant for shiney objects known as the sciliopath of Vegii 9 (a newly discovered species which some realities may not yet have knowledge of them yet) is one of the best examples of an undefined dragon. While the need to define things along evolutionary direct biological lines is understandable from a scientific standpoint, it shouldnt stand in the way of a deeper understanding of the reality of the universe, and of the dragon.

Special Note: Recent discovereies have shown that there is a mystical connection which may exist between all of the independently evolved dragons which have appeared on seperate planets throughout the universe. This common trait may be a result of these creatures existing on a more subtle spiritual level as transdimensional biengs, that only resurface as biological creatures in our reality. Some indications show that this may even be a trait shared by creatures other then dragons.

The third way dragons can exist is based on a complex understanding of reality. Existence is made up of moments, and each moment has an infinite number of possibilities, each of which can lead to a different universe. Every single one of those universes exists realtive to our own, and can even impact on our own in certain subtle ways. This means that the reality we understand is only one momentary possibility, constantly changing, in an infinitely infinite sea of possibilities. In a truely infinite universe, everything is reality.

In some realities dragons do physically exist. In others, they once did. Along some lines of possibility, a universe where dragons exist, evolved into our current unioverse. In others, our own universe will one day evolve into one in which they exist. This understanding of the universe leaves all possibilities open, and provides us with a wider perspective of the nature of possibility, and teh reality of the dragon.
ishallannoyyo

Con

I thank my opponent for his completely invalid argument as he completely ignored my definition of “dragon” and instead provided assumptions and ridiculous arguments with no evidence.

Firstly, I defined a dragon as a “MYTHICAL CREATURE”, the definition of “mythical” is “imaginary” which clearly means “does not exist”. Thus, all of your arguments on how dragons exist in three ways are ALL invalid. Plus, your “source” was Yahoo Answers, something that is clearly unreliable. I am going to add a new answer which is that dragons have been spotted in my bedroom, does that mean it is true? No, it isn’t, I made it up. Or, I will make a new answer being that dragons don’t exist, clearly contradicting what you are trying to say. Thus that is not a reliable source.

(Pigs) They do not do anything.

Regardless of which, they are real, not imaginary, thus they are clearly have superior quality.

On earth there can be found a creature known as the Komodo Dragon.

Once again, doesn’t follow my definition of “dragon”, nor does your argument (without sources) about animals that evolved with similar characteristics as they are not dragons, thus this is an irrelevant point.

between all of the independently evolved dragons which have appeared on separate planets throughout the universe

Where do you get your information??? “Appeared on separate planets”???? Where is the proof? No source, no evidence, we haven’t even gotten out of the solar system, how is the possible??

Existence is made up of moments, and each moment has an infinite number of possibilities, each of which can lead to a different universe

Where did you get this?? So, your argument is, something that is biologically IMPOSSIBLE, exists in parallel universes to ours?? No evidence, no source, not even going to comment on this anymore.

CONCLUSION

All of Pro’s arguments have no logic behind them and are clearly fables of the imaginary. No, dragons don’t exist, it is impossible for them to breath fire. No, nobody has been eaten by dragons. YES, they are completely mythical. As I have shown, pigs actually EXIST, thus they are clearly of superior quality, and thus better than the imaginary. Easy VOTE CON.

Debate Round No. 2
richarddong

Pro

KK

First i don't understand anything your trying to say.

Second of all your weird.

Third of all i think your trolling me

Merry christmas and have a happy new Year :D
ishallannoyyo

Con

In the final round, my opponent has decided to drop everything and say that he didn't "understand anything" I'm saying. Also, for some reason, my opponent believes in dragons, parallel universes, and gets his information from How to Train Your Dragon, a fake and mediocre movie.

Finally, he decides to call me weird because I don't believe in dragons.

All of my opponent's contentions have been refuted by the point that dragon's don't exist. I have refuted everything my opponent has said as his arguments are childish assumptions without evidence. It is very clear that since pigs exist, they are better than dragons which don't exist. This is an extremely easy vote CON.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and DDO!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ishallannoyyo 3 years ago
ishallannoyyo
LOLOLOLOL, what??? Proof of parallel universe please.

I am a child, how am I weird? Dragon's don't exist, every body knows that
Posted by richarddong 3 years ago
richarddong
Didn't know you could speak your only a child

Weird Child 0_0
Posted by ishallannoyyo 3 years ago
ishallannoyyo
Trolled.
Posted by ishallannoyyo 3 years ago
ishallannoyyo
Dude, a large bulk of this is plagaraized 0_o
Posted by ishallannoyyo 3 years ago
ishallannoyyo
Pls wait a little, christmas and all
Posted by richarddong 3 years ago
richarddong
This is going to be fun
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Vote Placed by blackfirewolf 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con may have had better arguments and sources but I diagree on something he said. He said that mythical meant imaginary. That is not true. Though there is no edvidence that dragons do exist there is no reason they couldn't be real. After all, the same could be said about religion (ex. There is no proof God exists yet millions believe he is and deicate their entire life to a church). I'll give one point to pro but I suggest that in the future he doesn't copypaste and maybe check his spelling and arguments?
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Reasons for voting decision: epic fail on pro's part: trolls, bad args., bad conduct, and no sources
Vote Placed by iamnotwhoiam 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con wins the debate with his point that things that exist are superior to things that don't. I watched HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON and the Vikings had Scottish accents, so Pro loses on sources. Pro's S&G is poor.
Vote Placed by DoctorDeku 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had this exact debate with me. He just copied and pasted the same arguments here, that's disappointing.
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Reasons for voting decision: Well I think it's obvious. Plagiarism, forfeiture, ignoring arguments, no sources, horrible spelling.