The Instigator
True2GaGa
Con (against)
Losing
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The Contender
Vi_Veri
Pro (for)
Winning
20 Points

Drug Legalization

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Vi_Veri
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/3/2010 Category: Science
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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True2GaGa

Con

I want to thank Vi_Veri, if she accepts
==CLAIM==
Drug Legalization is not smart and shouldn't be accepted.

==ARGUMENT==
Drug legalization can make drugs available to children. This can cause serious health defects in the body and mind of young children. Drugs can be deadly to adults as well. Some people have certain health conditions (Pregancy) that can severely effect ones health and mental state.

Thank you.
1) http://www.gargaro.com...
Vi_Veri

Pro

I'd like to thank true2gaga for this challenge! I wish her luck in this debate.

I'll list my opponent's points and challenge each one:

1. "Drug legalization can make drugs available to children."

Drugs are already available to children, legal or not. There can also be an age requirement for purchase of each drug (just like there is for tobacco [18 yo] and alcohol [21 yo]).

2. "This can cause serious health defects in the body and mind of young children."

Nullified by point 1.

3. "Drugs can be deadly to adults as well."

Alcohol can be deadly to everyone, tobacco can be deadly to everyone, cars and guns and kitchen knives can be deadly to everyone. The point here is that when one reaches a certain age of mental maturity, they should be allowed to the the masters of their own body. The state can offer age restrictions on the product, they can offer information, warnings (like tobacco and alcohol), etc.

People are obviously obtaining drugs illegally. Making them legal will make them safer (government can regulate them), thus legalization will be keeping users, who are going to use anyway, safter.

4. "Some people have certain health conditions (Pregnancy) that can severely effect ones health and mental state."

This is why there will be plenty of warnings (just like there are for alcohol for pregnant women). Raw fish harms pregnant women, but it would be rediculous to make sushi illegal because of this. People should be warned and educated and left to make their own decisions about their own personal health.
Debate Round No. 1
True2GaGa

Con

I want to thank Vi_Veri for even accepting this debate. I hope it will be interesting and bring awareness. I hope this to be more concentrated on the substance abuse problems.

1."The point here is that when one reaches a certain age of mental maturity, they should be allowed to the masters of their own body."
The point is some people cannot make wise decisions. Everyone is not capable of making decisions. Grown men and women are unable to make smart choices. (This can result in the taking of children, licenses, permits, rights ((For example, to vote)), and prison((Federal or non-Federal)) and/or Jail.)
Drugs affect the brain-(http://www.ncbhs.org...)

2."This is why there will be plenty of warnings (just like there are for alcohol for pregnant women)."
This is true, but it is nearly impossible for the information to reach everyone. It would take years to get the message across to the entire world.
How drugs affect pregnancy-(http://www.americanpregnancy.org...)

"Any drug, legal or illegal, that you consume can impact on your unborn child. If you swallow a drug, your body will deliver it to the baby through the placenta. If you inject a substance, it goes to the baby in larger amounts. Inhaling a drug has almost the same results."
http://www.adoptionservices.org...
Thank you. I urge you to vote CON.
Vi_Veri

Pro

"The point is some people cannot make wise decisions. Everyone is not capable of making decisions. Grown men and women are unable to make smart choices. (This can result in the taking of children, licenses, permits, rights ((For example, to vote)), and prison((Federal or non-Federal)) and/or Jail.)"

If people are not allowed to make their own choices regarding their own bodies, then you strip them of their ownership of themselves. Grown men and women have enough mental capacity to make their own choices (unless they are mentally ill, but that is another issue all together). Are you advocating to keep people on strict diets because there are tons of foods that make them fat and cause health risks (not everyone knows what to eat)? Should establishments like McDonalds be illegal? Someone else having ownership of your body and dictating what you do with it is slavery. All you can do is give adults advice, keep them informed, and hope they make the best decisions for themselves. We have seen from prohibition that people will continue to use even when restricted. People always find a way to obtain what they want.

"This is true, but it is nearly impossible for the information to reach everyone. It would take years to get the message across to the entire world."

My opponent concedes to my point. The information could be attached to the product (like it is on alcohol and cigarettes). The government will also be saving money from ending the war on drugs, and can use money gained from that for educational purposes (children are already educated about drugs - cigarettes and alcohol in schools).

"Any drug, legal or illegal, that you consume can impact on your unborn child. If you swallow a drug, your body will deliver it to the baby through the placenta. If you inject a substance, it goes to the baby in larger amounts. Inhaling a drug has almost the same results."

This doesn't matter. Women are already allowed to eat such things as raw fish, consume alcohol, and tobacco while pregnant. Restricting them from doing so would be impossible. Again, as I stated in round one, you can not stop a person who wants to consume a drug/alcohol [whatever it may be] from doing so. The best course of action is to educate them on the substance and offer safe products and environments for use of the substance.

Example:

Places like Insight in Vancouver, Canada offer a safe environment for heroin addicts to inject. They offer sterile needles (water, any other items the addict may need), medical assistance, safe environment, a detox center if the addict wishes for help, free therapy if the addict wishes for it, etc.

Because of havens like Insight, Vancouver has seen a dramatic drop in cases of aids and death from overdose. Out of all of the cases of overdose that happened inside of Insight, none have resulted in death because of on site medical assistance (the addict would have died if injecting on the street). The establishment has helped clean up the streets of Vancouver and helped contain the heroin epidemic. Insight does not sell drugs, it only offers the above services.

Even with laws forbidding drugs, users will find a way to obtain them and use them, so, again, the best option a country has is to educate and provide safety.

With campaigns such as the war on drugs failing miserably (anyone can find a gram of marijuana if they know where to look), and drugs in the category of psychedelics causing zero harm and death in users, it's a surprise that the government has not changed their stance on drugs. Drugs that do cause physical harm (like meth, heroin, cocaine [narcotic]) should be made safer and should come with opportunities for the addict to recover (like Insight offers). Legalizing drugs and offering safe environments and safe products will also help lower crime just like over turning prohibition did (no more drug wars, no more drug trafficking).

Good luck to my opponent in her last round.

Sources:

http://supervisedinjection.vch.ca...
Debate Round No. 2
True2GaGa

Con

True2GaGa forfeited this round.
Vi_Veri

Pro

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
L, I want a pep talk!
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
Damnit
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
Lol.
Wow. No worries though.
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
Hm. I literally just noticed I'm Pro. That's embarassing.
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
I thought all I had to do as con was thwart all of Pro's points.
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
rawr
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
Vi, step up your game. This could be an easy win for you... Just list a few contentions in your favor in R2 instead of only responding to hers (just in case).
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
lol
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
I was hoping on you posting later!
Not a forfiet, but I'm quite busy myself.
MWAHAHAHA!!!!!! Lol
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
Sorry my reply took so long :) Have been busy
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