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Due to "race mixing"(misegenation), every person on the planet will have the same color skin

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Started: 5/12/2016 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mall

Con

Due to "race mixing"(misegenation), every person on the planet will have the same color skin. Is that a true or false statement? Will the people of multi-color that are today be the mono-color so to speak of tomorrow? Bring your thoughts, views , ideas and explanations. I take the side that it's an unsubstantiated claim . Furthermore what value does it have to make such a claim? How long has intermingling of people groups been to show its true result in the physical light ? Will one racial classification or more cease to exist? Will there be brand new racial subclasses? Come bring your insight on this matter and we shall both be awarded edification.
Roan671

Pro

I do believe that, at some point in the future (this may be near or far, though I believe the latter is far more likely), that the races of the world will mix together to form one race. This may occur several hundred, or even a thousand, years from now due to rural fringe groups that will continue to procreate homogeneously, but it will happen eventually. Consider it -- every day the world becomes more globalized, and people of different racial backgrounds are being mixed together. According to the 2010 Pew Research Center Report, 15.1% of new marriages were between two people of different ethnicity or race, compared to only 8.4% of existing marriages. In general, studies such as these have been showing that interracial marriage rates are on the rise around the world. Furthermore, racial intermingling has already been taking place in South American countries, such as Brazil and Argentina to name a few. For example, a growing amount of Brazilians, currently about 43% of the Brazilian population, identifies as 'Pardo'. 'Pardo' originally referred to the mixture of Whites who came from Europe during the colonial era, Black slaves that were taken from Africa, and indigenous populations, but now also refers to mixed-race people in general. The Pardos are an excellent example of the deracialization that has already happened and is continuing to happen. In the coming times the world will continue to see more and more multiracial children, until eventually, the people of Earth will assimilate into one race.
Debate Round No. 1
mall

Con

You believe but don't know for sure. How can you say one way or the other for that matter? We can speculate with statistics that don't bring absolute confirmation on a subject . We can look at history and arrive at conclusions about the future. Which arises the first question, has it not been all this so called race mixing for perhaps thousands of years to a result of what there is today? What is the result? Taking a look at residents and dwellers in the land called the United States today, there are many that are not considered what's referred to as pure blood or a native individual. Whether the case is that the person is part this and part that or even tracing back their lineage to examine the blood line. With all that , the person is still regarded according to a uniform appearance that he or she is a member of a so called race. As we continue to study genealogy, it's learned that DNA is independent in function . Regardless of whom you mate with , engage coital/copulation with, that's not the main or final determinant of physical characteristics to the descendants . The progenitors carry in the blood line , this particular gene from ancestor x and this one from ancestor xx. Which is the usual explanation to cases with "black" parents having a "white" child , vice versa and all the mixtures in between . Next occurrence is that society will already deem that offspring as one classification or another based on the physical vs DNA. That's where this race system really becomes incongruent. Digressing from that point , there are those that we say homogenously mingle and multiply . Numerous individuals that continue generation after generation , that reproduce with ones in the same people group. Families that begat families that go on and so forth. As much as there are numbers climbing high for so called interracial affairs, the majority still outweighs the opposite . So one day it will all be one race. Aren't we all one race now ? What is meant by rural fringe groups? What about urban or metropolitan factors ? What is deracialization? How do you go from that to multiracial? With all that mentioned, do you still believe the topic statement to be true ?
Roan671

Pro

You mentioned the example of the United States. The vast majority of the United States (the white population) is already one race. For the sake of clarity, I mean 'of European descent' when I use the word 'white'. Although 'white' in general is considered a race, there are genetic differences within the white race, such as Swedish people have blond hair, French people have distinctive facial characteristics, i.e.. In America, you can't really see these distinctions. The mixing of the sub-divisions of the white race has resulted in a population such that you usually can't point to a white person and say. "Oh, he's of complete Austrian descent." Although there are still genetic differences within the white population, they are still considered one race. A light-skinned person with black hair and a light-skinned person with red hair are still of the same race. That is because the primary factor used to define race is skin color. Skin color happens to be a polygenic trait, meaning that it is influenced by many genes. Therefore, the offspring of one "black" parent and one "white" parent would have a skin color that would be somewhere in between the skin tones of the parents. As this process continues to happen, with multiracial people having children with other multiracial people, all people would eventually have a very similar genetic makeup, with small amounts of genes from each of the 'original races'. Of course, there would still be variations, but people would be similar enough to each other to be considered one race. Now, I have argued earlier that 'interracial affairs' as you call them are on the rise. It does not matter that they still make up the minority of marriages because the topic of debate is whether or not deracialization (the elimination of the concept of 'races' due to the intermixing of races, basically the same concept as becoming a society of multiracial people) will occur in the future. Since rates of interaccial marriages are rising, they will eventually make up the majority of marriages. By this point, the vast majority of the Earth's population will be one 'race' as genetic factors will have mixed. However, I hypothesize that there will be isolated fringe areas that will still have homogenous groups consisting of people of one of the 'original races'. For example, the people of Easter Island may decide not to intermix with any outsiders. Eventually, however, these groups will assimilate and intermarry, and share their genes with the worldwide race. Therefore, the topic statement is true.
Debate Round No. 2
mall

Con

No it does not make it true because we don't know for sure what will be the result of people's physical characteristics . Like it was mentioned, there have been cases where the children had physical traits that were unexpectedly unidentifiable to that of the parents . That was because of what ? Because of the genes and the ones in particular alotted to the offspring . When the research is done you will find that this is possible to happen. Genes do not work in the fashion in which we can accurately predict what the appearance of a being will be . We can have vague , obscure ideas in reference to the composition of the being. But to calculate with 40% here and 60 over there or just plain 50/50 and it all averages out, it's not so cut and dry. Genes in the DNA mutate , broken sequences are replaced known as the dominant over the recessive . A gene that comes from a great grandparent that goes into the child which gives the child a trait that's not quite resembling to the parents was more than unanticipated. We have no definite determination of those details . Also mentioned previously and again how long has intermingling of the so called races been going on and what does it look like today? Racial classifications are based on societal declarations. How can a dark skin person and a light skin person both be called black when they're two different colors and this whole system is based off of color of skin according to you defining as that ? Societal regulations lumps them altogether. Doesn't matter the difference in genetics no matter how significantly different or variation of skin tone . Hence where that one drop rule comes into play . Even some "bi-racial " folks say that they are black . They are not white and black , they are not white , they are black . It's how they see it and society agrees . One person I knew and another who said " I am black, Mexican/Hispanic but I consider myself African-American ". It's already been established that the racial system is dictated and relative . The point of discussion is about physical characteristics and the outcome of people reproducing in a intermixing fashion as one might say. Furthermore with the groups that don't step outside there group . The ones that "stay in their lane". What's makes the topic statement also inconclusive is that people that "stick to their own " , what makes you think they will stop sticking? As far as I'm concern the likelihood is that there always be not just in rural areas but in the cities too, that there will be generation after generation of people reproducing with people of the same people group . Unless a predictor is making the same claim as being true like the topic statement . That they know that the trends are going to change . People are going to get bored , people are going to get immensely curious and the momentus part of all , prejudice will be a thing of the past . There won't be nothing that stands in the way , no barriers , no alienations, demarcations and or separations of nothing and nobody to produce this one race world . Which once more , I believed already existed . So since this is believed to happen , how many years would all of this take? A ballpark figure is fine.
Roan671

Pro

Roan671 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mall 1 year ago
mall
Well overall, regardless , a very interesting interaction . Speaking from my side , definitely gained additional insight about genetics . Let's interact again in the near future.
Posted by Roan671 1 year ago
Roan671
Sorry! Forgot to reply on time. Consider this my rebuttal:

You are confusing race and ethnicity. Ethnicity is determined by societal classifications, but race is solely based on the genetic trait of skin color. For example, a boy of 'Black' race adopted by an ethnically 'White' family would grow up as societally 'White', but still have a dark skin color. He would identify with the 'White' ethnicity but still be of 'Black' race. Your other point was that it is very hard to predict how a future offspring will look, and that his appearance could be influenced greatly by random recessive traits from the grandparents. However, that is incorrect because skin color is a polygenic trait. It is influenced by several genes, so it is always reflective of the parent's skin tones. The children of a dark-skinned man and a light-skinned women would be of medium skin tone. Now, as I have said before, the trend is that the number of interracial children is on the rise. According to this trend, the world will eventually be of one race, and be of people of the same color skin because of the way skin color is inherited. This is how polygenic traits work.
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