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Dumb people are generally happier.

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Started: 1/29/2012 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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1dustpelt

Pro

According to a scientific, pchycological study, stupid people seem to be more happier, hence the famous quote "Ignorance is bliss".
As Ernst Hemmingway said, "Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know." I quite agree with this statement because
1. Ignorance is bliss. Intellect people usually think more, therefore thinking about problems.
2.Intellect people are more self-critical.
The_Fool_on_the_hill

Con


According to a scientific, pchycological study, stupid people seem to be more happier, hence the famous quote "Ignorance is bliss".


The studies in social science are not that credible. They could never know if people are actually feeling happy all the time; dumb people may be more likely to lie to appear better. Because people like other to perceive they are happy. Social Science psychology they usually just ask them or give them questionaries’ with the definition of happiness is just guessed or vaguely defines.


Social Science is not even a real science. .


The good psychology is in Cognitive Science… they mix neuroscience with psychological testing.


As Ernst Hemmingway said, "Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know." I quite agree with this statement because



  1. Ignorance is bliss. Intellect people usually think more, therefore thinking about problems.


They could also think about more positive things.



  1. Intellect people are more self-critical.


The Fool: Self critique can lead to advantages later. It may push to do more with your life then settle for what’s ever around.


I agree that:


Ignorance is often bliss, but not necessarily over a life time.


For we may say that intelligent people are less happy because they are more likely to notice problems that the ignorant may not recognize, but it can pay off in the end.


e.g The intelligent can recognize more options, and capitalise on opportunities, when will have a more happy outcome the intelligent secure their future. They would also be able to avoid pit falls.


Where the ignorant live blindly, but the world appear more random, because of lack of explanation that can better predict future thus increasing the ability to make more efficient decision.


The ignorant has short term investment, problem will appear out of nowhere and they won’t be prepared to deal with them.


No body start smoking crack when they really understand the complication. They begin when they are naive of the capacity to be able to stop when they want. And so for the first while they may enjoy, a very small while in that case. But then the problem will eventually emerge and before it’s too late. They are forced to feel the full brunt of a problem that could have been avoided.


You could use any example, and the probabilty will be in Favour intellegence.. that doesn't mean all intellegent people will be happier. but increased the general probablity.


Another question would you rather be ignorant? None of us would say yes, maybe of some temporary things, but certainly not on a general level. Why because you lose freedom. Understand the world you have more option. More option is more freedom. That is freedom depend upon what you know, and in this sense knowledge is power and freedom, because you more efficiently organized and change the world, and more option which can lead to and over all happiness.


e.g. science gives us the ability to manipulate the physical world in our favour.

Debate Round No. 1
1dustpelt

Pro

Hello, thank you for accepting this debate. I hope that this will be a fun one, as this is my second debate.

First, let me address my opponent's arguments.
"Self critique can lead to advantages later. It may push to do more with your life then settle for what's ever around."
I agree. Self critique can lead to advantages later, and I do agree withe the whole statement, but however, self critique can lead to always wanting more, always wanting to be better, and I am not saying it is bad, but I am saying that it does not give you satisfaction.

"Ignorance is often bliss, but not necessarily over a life time. For we may say that intelligent people are less happy because they are more likely to notice problems that the ignorant may not recognize, but it can pay off in the end."
I also agree. I agree it can pay off in the end, but it may not make one happy in the end, because the intellect is always thinking of new problems.

"Where the ignorant live blindly, but the world appear more random, because of lack of explanation that can better predict future thus increasing the ability to make more efficient decision."
The ignorant live blindly and the world will appear more random, but they would not care if they make inefficient decisions because they are dumb, hence the title of this debate.

"The ignorant has short term investment, problem will appear out of nowhere and they won't be prepared to deal with them."
That is true, but again, they would not care about problems.

"No body start smoking crack when they really understand the complication. They begin when they are naive of the capacity to be able to stop when they want. And so for the first while they may enjoy, a very small while in that case. But then the problem will eventually emerge and before it's too late. They are forced to feel the full brunt of a problem that could have been avoided."
Intellegent people can avoid more problems, but they will also encounter more because they are always thinking about them. They are more intellegent, so they will be more ambitious and reach for goals, thus encountering problems. Ignorant people will not do that, so therefore, will encounter less problems.

"You could use any example, and the probabilty will be in Favour intellegence.. that doesn't mean all intellegent people will be happier. but increased the general probablity."
The probability would indeed favor intellegence, but would happiness? For example, an intellegent person would do good on a math test, but he would probably want to do better, thus being hard on himself. A dumb person would do bad on the math test, but he would not care, thus he is still happy.

"Another question would you rather be ignorant? None of us would say yes, maybe of some temporary things, but certainly not on a general level. Why because you lose freedom. Understand the world you have more option. More option is more freedom. That is freedom depend upon what you know, and in this sense knowledge is power and freedom, because you more efficiently organized and change the world, and more option which can lead to and over all happiness."
First, yes, many of us would rather be ignorant. Just take a look at these pages: http://answers.yahoo.com...
Seconed, a dumb person would not know that they lose freedom.
The_Fool_on_the_hill

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Debate Round No. 2
1dustpelt

Pro

My opponent has forfeited his round. Vote Pro. Forfeit, you lose.
The_Fool_on_the_hill

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by 1dustpelt 5 years ago
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Why won't anyone vote!?!?
Posted by 1dustpelt 5 years ago
1dustpelt
My oponnent has not responded in a long time. If you forfeit, you lose.
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