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Harboggles
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Education is stealing constitutional rights

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/7/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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draxxt

Pro

I propose to you, ladies and gentlemen, that no matter how hard you fight it, high schools and below are trying to allieviate from us the basic human rights in which our founding fathers worked so hard to uphold. Now I, as a freshman in my class, have already come to realise that my freedom of speech, press, and religion. I am not granted the right to worship freely in school but, by God himself, I will. I am not allowed to write a scandal of a teacher and yet I shall if one might occur. And by all that is just, If an INjustice occurs, you can bet whatever dignity the school system hasn't sucked out of you I shall try and fight it.
Merriam webster defines as follows
Main Entry: 1con�sti�tu�tion�al
Pronunciation: \-shnəl, -shə-nəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1682

1 : relating to, inherent in, or affecting the constitution

If we are no longer given our constitutional rights, what has the school system done to us? Taken our dignity and our rights. I urge you to vote in affirmation of this resolution.
Harboggles

Con

They aren't alleviating us from our rights, I just graduated so it's easier for me to speak, but freedom of speech is restricted because a public institution can't be connected to drugs, profanity, etc. Since the parents pay the bills, it's their call.

In regards to restricting religion, they have two choices...accommodate all (expensive) or accommodate none (free)

I don't approve of the US school system, but it's better than nothing, if you feel suppressed then get involved outside of school.
Debate Round No. 1
draxxt

Pro

I see two major flaws with your refutation.

1) The original topic was "Education is stealing constitutional rights"

not "Are educational institutions just in stealing constitutional rights"

Therefore, your arguement has proven flawed. Since you failed to refute any

of my points, there is no need for defense.

2) Only certain religions, icluding Muslim, would thereby be expensive for

certain ritualistic practises, and while inconvinienced, schools accomodate

even that. But when a Christian student talks of Jesus, it is a downright

abomination to the school system. I have once been sent to ISS (In school

suspension, for those who don't know) for preaching the word of God, even

though it's in my faith to do so! Muslims are allowed spots of prayer facing

Mekkah, footbaths, and other such conviniences for their religion.

In sumation, the opposing party has not given any points relevant to the

presiding resolution, therefore, I strongly urge NEG to speak on behalf of the

resolution set in place for him. Thank you.
Harboggles

Con

If something is "just" then it's not stealing.

It would be expensive to accommodate everyone, train the teachers in sensitivity for religions, allocate a teacher to monitor children while they practice their worship. If you really need to pray, ask to be excused and go do it in the bathroom, your lord doesn't care where you pray or how you pray, only that you do pray.
Debate Round No. 2
draxxt

Pro

"If something is "just" then it's not stealing."

Are you telling me stealing in order to survive is not just? Who among us would not take a loaf of bread if it were our only option?
Review the case of the fictional character, Robin Hood. "Take from the rich, give to the needy." Was he not just in giving things that others needed by taking from people who had an abundance of it?
Teachers would have no more need to be taught "sensitivity," as my opponent so blatantly shrews about his words,than I would have to to disregard the disestablishmentarianism, or seperation of church and state.

an`ti`dis`es`tab`lish`men`ta�ri`an`ism (ăn`tė`dĭs`ĕs`tăb`lĭsh`men`t�r�ė`ăn`ĭz'm)
n. 1. the doctrine or political position that opposes the withdrawal of state recognition of an established church; - used especially concerning the Anglican Church in England. Opposed to disestablishmentarianism.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

This is what I am arguing. Religion is not our only constitutional right, as well my friend. In fact, next time you find yourself in a high school for whatever reason, attempt to refute a teachers point on pronunciation, even if you are right, she (though rare, or he) will still have the right to send you to ISS for insubordination.

"Insubordination is classified as a Level II offense, unacceptable conduct, which is punishable by, among other things, in-school suspension."
http://www.counsel.nysed.gov...

Therefore, not only have you been arguing against only ONE of my points, but you have also neglected to understand, religious freedom would only ensure prayer time in school which can be exercised at breaks, requiring no premeditated time. Although often unenforced, it is still against school regulation to pray at any part of the campus of a public school.
Harboggles

Con

I honestly have no idea where you've gone with your argument. I concede due to confusion, not to concession of the premise.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by draxxt 9 years ago
draxxt
Ha ha, very funny, Kleptin.
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
Kleptin
This could have been a very good debate, and I refuse to vote either way because this debate ended due to miscommunication.

Con was arguing that if the school system is JUST in taking away a student's rights, it can't be considered stealing.

It's an argument by semantics, which you should be familiar with, Con XD
Posted by draxxt 9 years ago
draxxt
How could he have won this? He conceded!!!
Posted by draxxt 9 years ago
draxxt
I'm not saying people are justified for taking away your rights. That's what this debate is about. I feel I won, not only because he conceded, but because my opponent's only contentions were
"Stealing is not just" When I've already proved stealing can be just.
He's also said that you have to accomodate all and that would be expensive. It is similar to or as expensive to allow children to pray or avoid praying as not. Thank you for this debate, though I'm confused as to why he has the majority vote.
Posted by THEmanlyDEBATER2 9 years ago
THEmanlyDEBATER2
Harboggles, BEST ROUND 3 EVER. I'M VOTING FOR YOU.
Posted by XsamacadoX 9 years ago
XsamacadoX
Okay. The reason religion is not part of education is because by giving one person rights, you remove the rest. I almost sued my school (we setteled outside) because they basicly discriminated against me for not standing for the pleadge of allegince (as it goes against my atheist beleifs). by making me stand for it, i was violated.
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