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Edward Kenway vs. Connor Kenway

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Started: 2/10/2014 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Historydude15

Pro

I say that Edward kenway is the better Assassin than connor because ZMowlcher said Guys guys, seriously... Edward Kenway is the best assassin. Mainly because he's 50% Pirate, 45% ladies man, 4% explorer, and 1% assassin.
codemeister13

Con

I'm under the assumption that we're taking this time to do our constructive arguments. In that case, let's roll on. Connor Kenway is a better assassin than Edward Kenway. Connor ended up having to face many more hardships in terms of both physical and emotional distress and, unlike Edward, Connor is a true inductee to the Assassin Order. What Edward manage to do was kill an assassin who happened to be traitorous and take his clothing. Edward never intended to become an assassin, unlike Connor. Even when Edward had accepted the guise of the assassin lifestyle, the only thing he did was give the Templars an advantage over the Assassins in the quest for ultimate knowledge. The entirety of Assassin's Creed IV was based around Edward Kenway looking to fix his mistakes.

However, coming away from Edward's shortcomings as an "Assassin," we must take into account Connor's prowess as an Assassin and a person. He did not run around on his own accord taking whatever he saw fit. Connor was no pirate. In fact, he was raised in a tribe that was entrusted with guarding a Piece of Eden. Even before Connor became an Assassin, he had already taken his first steps towards the order in protecting a Piece of Eden from the likes of the Templars, especially that of his father Haytham Kenway and Charles Lee.

In his lifetime, Connor had joined and was inducted, officially mind you, to the Assassin's Order, the Hunting Society, the Boston Brawlers, and he became captain of his very own ship, The Aquila.

In summary, due to myself running short on time, Connor truly is the better assassin and his accomplishments do out-shine that of Edward Kenway.

I look forward to your rebuttal. Also, is that a Connor Kenway profile picture I spy? Very nice.
Debate Round No. 1
Historydude15

Pro

First off Thank you for that comment. second off if would like to say that Edward was the Grandfather of Connor, so that is how Connor can steer a ship so good. 2nd off. Edward had to undergo many struggles through his life. First off he promised his wife he would come home. He kills an assassin to claim his reward for leaving the assassins. Joins the Templars for a little bit, but then joins the assassins. He gets his own ship called the Jackdaw, named after a pet bird. he has a freed slave to become his quatermaster. His first wife dies, he remarries. etc. dude come on he is awsome and should be the top assassin.
codemeister13

Con

"He kills an assassin to claim his reward for leaving the assassins."

The thing is, Edward didn't kill an assassin to claim that assassin's rewards for leaving the order, Edward killed the bloke because that man sunk Edward's original ship. The man happened to be an assassin and the item he had was information that he planned to hand over to the Templars, a quest that Edward fulfilled for the traitor. Edward is nothing more than the common pirate who came upon some good fortune. He is no true assassin. As I stated before, he was never fully inducted to the Order of Assassins, unlike Connor who was officially inducted by Achilles.

Even in his life, Connor underwent far greater trials than Edward. He helped the Americans win the Revolutionary War through critical points such as The Battle of Bunker Hill and the Battle of Lexington. Connor rode with Paul Revere to alert the people of the blooming country that the British were coming to invade.

Connor even stopped tyranny in an alternate reality. When the Apple of Eden created an alternate universe around him in which George Washington become the new king of the colonies, Connor did all in his power to stop this newfound foe. Edward had to beat down an old man who wished to use an ancient piece of technology that wasn't working properly because he was missing a necessary component.

While Edward hunted the Caribbean to find a Sage, Connor moved along fighting the British, battling the Templars, defending a piece of Eden, and at one point, he even made an attempt to unite the Assassins and Templars by reuniting with his Templar father, Haytham.

Of the Kenways, Connor was truly the greater assassin and the only true assassin.
Debate Round No. 2
Historydude15

Pro

That may be true, but Edward is alot better than Connor, This is from his wiki page.During his formative years, Edward was a reckless, albeit brave individual who was infatuated with the idea of fame and glory. Such was his obsession that he left his first wife to become a privateer in the British Navy, hoping to score his fortune in the Caribbean and prove his worth. After the Treaty of Utrecht effectively made privateers redundant, many turned to a life of piracy, Edward among them.[4]

As the captain of the Jackdaw he quickly became feared and respected for his skill at the helm of a ship and his combat prowess, with even the renowned Edward Thatch commenting on his ability.

It was the promise of wealth, power and infamy that spurred Edward into seeking out the Observatory, at the expense of both the Templars and Assassins. Although the Assassin Mary Read knew him to be good at heart and capable of change, the Assassins en-large remained suspicious of him and strongly disagreed with his lifestyle.

Despite the vested interest of both the Assassins and the Templars in the veteran pirate, Edward remained steadfastly focused on his own goals: power, infamy and proof that he was better than he was born to be. Edward was also one to take any advantage afforded him, twisting the meaning of the Assassins' Creed to suit his own ends. Only after losing his friends and compatriots to greed and glory-seeking did he recant his previous behavior, and come to realize what the Creed truly promised: the power to make himself better than he was.[6]

As a father, Edward encouraged his son to think for himself instead of believing everything his home-school teachers said. He also expressed pride toward his son when Haytham said that he would have offered a mugger clemency, instead of acting on the impulse to kill him. Edward could be quite conservative in other respects, such as his decision to marry off his daughter to Birch, as was the tradition of the day.[2]
codemeister13

Con

Again though, you've failed to refute my claims about Connor. In fact, you've completely affirmed them to be true. You state that Edward's better because he was a reckless pirate who cared about nothing but fame and glory. This man has no real directive other than that of the promise of wealth, power, and infamy. Even as a feared and respected pirate, that doesn't make him a better assassin. It makes him the better pirate.

Connor put the good of his village above his own needs. When his village was burned to the ground, he swore to avenge the people that were harmed. He didn't do it out of his own selfish needs to become wealthy or famed; he did it because he wanted to right the wrongs that were committed by Charles Lee, Haytham Kenway, Thomas Hickey, and company. As it was stated right in Edward Kenway's wiki page, it wasn't until after he lost everything that he made any sort of attempt to change his ways.

Connor Kenway was a man of the people and he carried out what it truly means to be an assassin. He never looked for an infinitesimal amount of power over others, unlike Edward. He cared for the good of others and saw them as those that deserved to be free. He fought for the Assassin way of life and he fought against the tyranny of the Templar Order rather than delivering to them one of the great secrets of the day. Connor embodied everything a good Assassin should be and, unlike Edward, he was not shunned from the order in the beginning. He not only saved countless lives from the tyranny that was Great Britain at the time, but he also saved the life of one of the most influential figures in American history. Connor prevented an attempt on George Washington's life by the Templars. ###SPOILER ALERT###Edward couldn't even stop Blackbeard from being killed by nothing more than common soldiers.###END SPOILER###

In conclusion, Ratonhnhak":ton "Connor" Kenway truly was a greater assassin than that of Edward Kenway. To all those that do vote, I urge you to vote con on this debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by codemeister13 3 years ago
codemeister13
Really? Oof. I'm glad I didn't delve too far into the plot lines of the games with the characters in question. Would've completely spoiled it. I've got one spoiler alert but eh. I was really trying to minimize those.
Posted by Historydude15 3 years ago
Historydude15
I have never played Assassins creed before XD
Posted by codemeister13 3 years ago
codemeister13
Thank you, sir. It was a pleasure debating you. I love the Assassin's Creed series. I've played and own every game. :P
Posted by Historydude15 3 years ago
Historydude15
Hey codemeister13 you were awsome on this debate
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