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VenomousNinja
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Eigth Notes are Better than Quarter Notes

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Started: 2/13/2008 Category: Arts
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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VenomousNinja

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Eighth notes are generally better than quarter notes simply because you can fit more of them into one measure.

Eighth notes are also the easiest to play, as the quarter note is too slow, the sixteenth note is too fast, and dotted half-notes are the hardest to play simply because of the long wait and the precise counting you must endure.

The whole note may be the only long note easy to play, but there is a long wait involved and they are generally boring or take out a lot of breath at a time when you don't have much due to the sixteenth notes and holding long quarter notes.
Randomknowledge

Con

I will argue the case of the quarter note indirectly, but the fact that Eight notes are better than Quarter Notes more.

You said:

"Eighth notes are generally better than quarter notes simply because you can fit more of them into one measure."

Now lets not get hasty and start to make wild and random generalizations. Just because there are more of them doesnt mean that they are better or have any advantage over the other. If I said to you, "there are more McDonalds in the U.S. then Subway's (the sandwich shop), so MickeyD's must be better."
Im not going to debate about how bad McDonalds is but you get my example.

You said:
Eighth notes are also the easiest to play, as the quarter note is too slow, the sixteenth note is too fast, and dotted half-notes are the hardest to play simply because of the long wait and the precise counting you must endure.

I do not neccesarily think that the eighth notes are any easier, as quarter notes are shorter, and If we are going to be making generalizations, then the slower the better.

I do agree that dotted half-notes are hard, but not that hard.

you said:
The whole note may be the only long note easy to play, but there is a long wait involved and they are generally boring or take out a lot of breath at a time when you don't have much due to the sixteenth notes and holding long quarter notes.

Now, as far as run-on sentences go, this one didnt make my list. I apologize. You said that they are boring, which is another generalization. A whole not can prolong a dramtic moment in an incredible piece of classical music or it could be a gut-busitng beat in a modern day rap song.

In conclusion, there is no comparison as to which is better between the eighth note and the quarter.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
VenomousNinja

Pro

The only real argument you made against me case was the one that used the comparison of McDonald's, which is what I will retaliate against.

"If I said to you, 'there are more McDonald's in the U.S. then Subway's (the sandwich shop), so MickeyD's must be better.'"

Well, since there are more "MickeyD's", more people must go there, therefore McDonald's would be better, because if it wasn't, it wouldn't have as many people going to it regularly and it wouldn't be getting more money.

This, however, does not at all relate to our debate, so your comparison was uneeded and useless.

Prove me wrong.
Randomknowledge

Con

Since you did not refute any of my arguments concerning eighth notes are better than quarter, then I assume you concede my arguments to me. As to your McDonalds argument...

"Well, since there are more "MickeyD's", more people must go there, therefore McDonald's would be better, because if it wasn't, it wouldn't have as many people going to it regularly and it wouldn't be getting more money."

thats what you said.

Now the reason for this. The reason that may people and families go to McDonalds is because of the really cheap prices and the amount of food you get. It is cheap, fast, and easy and a great way to eat for a family that is not exactly in the money.

Ummm i dont have much to say about the actual arguments concerning the eighth and quarter notes. I guess
you concede these to me.

Thank you and I await your rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 2
VenomousNinja

Pro

Okay, once again, you made no arguments against my case. I will, however, make arguments against your case.

"Just because there are more of them doesnt mean that they are better or have any advantage over the other."

Actually, it does. Since you can fit more of them into a measure, they are used more commonly for fast paced songs and musicals, the quarter note is rarely used.
They are also more commonly used because they are in the middle of the range of tempos, and are therefore easier to play.

Quarter notes are taught to a young musician the first thing, but then they seem to become abandoned, what happened? Simple, they are being replaced by better eighth notes.

Prove me wrong.
Randomknowledge

Con

Hello, and as this is the final round I will keep it short.

you said:

"Actually, it does. Since you can fit more of them into a measure, they are used more commonly for fast paced songs and musicals, the quarter note is rarely used.
They are also more commonly used because they are in the middle of the range of tempos, and are therefore easier to play.

Quarter notes are taught to a young musician the first thing, but then they seem to become abandoned, what happened? Simple, they are being replaced by better eighth notes."

Fitting more of them into a measure means nothing, besides more common use. Common use and frequency does not make anything better, take drugs, for example.

I do not think they are easier to play, as quarter notes are slower, thus not taking as much thought. As to the point of eighth notes neing more natural, that is for another debate.

being replaced with so called "better" eighth notes is a blatant assumption, becuase i could say that quarter notes are better.

In conclusion, the quarter note is quite easier because of its tempo and easy readability.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Pluto2493 9 years ago
Pluto2493
Quarter Notes own. (25 characters)
Posted by DoctaFly 9 years ago
DoctaFly
Personally, as a pianist, I think 32nd notes are the schizzle.

Stacatto ain't just a type of sex, ya know what I'm SAYIN?!
Posted by Randomknowledge 9 years ago
Randomknowledge
Oh, what the heck! I will debate it now.
Posted by Randomknowledge 9 years ago
Randomknowledge
Yes, ok, I will accept. I cannot now, howeve, becuase of work , time and other debates. is tommorow or the day after an OK time for me to accept?
Posted by VenomousNinja 9 years ago
VenomousNinja
Me too! Since we are both percussionists, this should be a pretty fair debate, and considering the fact that we didn't name any letter notes, just rythmic notes.
Posted by Randomknowledge 9 years ago
Randomknowledge
uummmmm....i dont know if I should take this as I dont read music or play any instrument that requires it (im a percussionist). Ill consider it...
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