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-The electoral college was made for states to represent the people.
"The Electoral College is an important part of the American Government, and without it the tyranny of the majority would be allowed to reign supreme."
-The Electoral College was actually made to make the voting system fair. For example, it didn't want states with higher populations to dominate the voting system. It also better represented the state. It was not made to reduce the people's power.
-Another problem of Electoral College is that electors don't have to vote for the politicians that they are expected to vote for.
-If there is a tie in the electoral vote, popular vote isn't taken in account. The house of representatives vote for the leader (Adams vs Jackson 1824). This gives the government more power.
-The founding fathers were politicians, not mathematicians. They really didn't know how to make the voting system fair.
Electors were established for good reason. While it might seem aristocratic, they exist to use their own judgement on who will best represent the people they represent. The electors exist because the people alone cannot always be trusted to hold all the power.
This argument you make about making the voting system "fair" is invalid. You are in agreement with me, since the Electoral College was made indeed to make the voting system fair, and I never argued that it didn't.
"This argument you make about making the voting system "fair" is invalid. You are in agreement with me, since the Electoral College was made indeed to make the voting system fair, and I never argued that it didn't."
-I'M arguing that the electoral college isn't fair.
-The current electoral college isn't working because although it was made to be fair, it isn't even a fair system.
While the Electoral College is far from perfect, I would argue it is a better solution to keep our current corrupt system rather than get rid of it in exchange for an equally corrupt system with significant flaws that I've already brought up.
"The Electoral College was actually made to make the voting system fair. For example, it didn't want states with higher populations to dominate the voting system. It also better represented the state. It was not made to reduce the people's power."
Here we can see your claim that the electoral college was designed to make the voting system fair. The popular vote, by it's very idea and application is not fair, since a majority of 51% beats a minority of 49%. While I will not deny the Electoral College is not perfect, and it would be better if electors could not be swayed, it is by far better than the alternative.
Just because it was made to be fair, doesn't mean it is fair. The Electoral College is practically just a popular vote, but with electors. There could easily be a case where one candidate has just one more elector voting for him than the other candidate. A majority of electors beats a minority of electors. It's no better than a popular vote in this situation.
One percent of the US population is roughly 3 million. It is not a small difference. Basically in a close race, the president will be decided by a couple million while in the Electoral College, the president can be decided with less than ten people. The Electoral College sounds very unreliable.
The electoral college utterly fails at its purpose:
-Candidates spend most of their time in states where people's votes count the most.
-They spend less time in the large states.
-Basically, the candidates care more about the minority over the majority.
-The Electoral College was meant to be a fair system, which it is not.
The founding fathers didn't know that there was going to be 50 states by now. The top ten biggest states in the US won't even make up the majority of the popular vote. The reason is because there are 40 other smaller states, not just ten. So, candidates can't spend all their time in the big states. In other words, the Electoral College fails to even fulfill its purpose while the popular vote can prevent the same thing the Electoral College was made for (fairness).
The Electoral College will never be a "far better" alternative. You claim it would be far better if electors could not be swayed, but understand that they can always be bribed.
Everyone should know that nothing is perfect. Don't try to say that "the Electoral College is not perfect" because you are just sugarcoating the truth on how bad the electoral college is.
In short, the Electoral College is a flawed and obselete system that fails its purpose. The popular vote, with today's situation, is a better system.
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