Eli Manning is not yet an elite quarterback compared to Brees, Brady and etc...
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Clearly preforming clutch in crunch time is not an effective way in claiming this.
When you look at the stats which are effective in assessing whether a quarterback is an elite or not its important to look at completion percentage. All the guys i listed in my opening argument have above a 60 percent completion percentage. Eli Manning does not have a career completion percentage above 60. He is actually 60th on the all time list which is sort of ironic. Tim Couch has a better completion percentage so does the backup quarterback to the lions Shaun Hill.
Every guy I listed above is in the top ten all time and Big Ben is even number 11. If you look at the postseason stats it is different. Eli plays well in the postseason. But I also believe to be an elite quarterback you got to play well in the regular season. Even his completion percentage is just a tad over 60 in the postseason. When your versing Brees, Brady, or Rodgers you know its going to be a shootout and a tough game. These guys dont lose and rarely have a losing season. The word rarely actually does not even work! lets change it to microscopically.
If i were any team I rather verse Eli then Brady and Peyton (before his neck injury any day). The reason why is Eli is the most consistent quarterback in the NFL. This looks like the con argument now but it inst at all. When Eli is on hes on. when hes not on hes not on. Many sports journalist have claimed this over the years. In 07-08 season he hit a hot streak this season he hit a cold stone streak and got hot when it mattered. One of his former teammates even stated this about him i remember vividly on espn I just cant happen to find the link.
Lets be honest hear to does a nine and seven team deserve to go to the playoffs? last year almost every giants fan was bashing the seahawks for making the playoffs. Now it is alright to make it to the playoffs with an almost losing record?
Another stat to look at is wins vs losses and winning percentage. Eli Manning is 69 and 50 as a starting quarter back. Since when does a 19 game difference and a 580 career winning percentage put you in an elite class. Look at all the legends. There way above the 580 mark. There are other ways to to be considered an elite quarterback but i can assure you being clutch under pressure is not one of them. In the 2007-08 super bowl did you ever consider the pass to Tyree as a clutch catch or clutch pass. It looked like the ball was well above his head.
I am sorry I forgot to provide evidence to my claims above but here is some of them.
Now to justify the backup quarterback compared to Eli. Hill has started almost two complete seasons which gives a lot of evidence. 1 season isn't much but two full seasons gives a lot of evidence.
We never really came to a conclusion if we were talking about the present NFL. The question is Is Eli an elite quarterback? I think its safe to conclude that an elite quarterback is consistent season after season always putting up the big numbers What happened to Eli after his first Superbowl victory? He fell off the charts. Four years later there he is again. Where has he been in the last 4 years. Bree's and Rodgers after their Superbowl run put um amazing numbers and continue to each and every game.
Now to the argument that Big Ben has a better supporting cast. The wide-outs right now since we are talking about present day which you stated has the giants favored big time. Hakeem nicks, Victor Cruz, and mario manningham. Compared to Wallace and i cant name the steelers second string wide out. Don't think about pulling the card that Eli made cruz into cruz look what he was doing with a 3rd string quarterback in the preseason last year before he got injured.
Another interesting statistic is sack percentage. I think its easy to conclude that not getting sacked makes you a better quarterback. Eli got sacked 28 times this year. Thats number 20 on the list. Brees got sacked four times less and look at the numbers he was able to put up this year record shattering. Why were Elis states so different from Drews stats. The answer is Bree's is an elite quarterback. Brady and Rodgers also got sacked more and look at their stats this year compared to Eli. The reason why Eli is good is he has a superior pass blocking O line. If you look up the stats I think this will probably be true for his last super bowl run as well. Eli has always had the superior Oline when it comes to pass protection. To add to this even more they have to verse Demarcus ware twice a year who is an active all time sacks leader. The eagles and redskins dont particularly have good D lines as well .
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Lets see next year if Eli is consistent or if he falls off the board again like he did in 08-09 season. Eli didn't even score the game winning touchdown they kept on running the ball to keep Brady off the field. The giants pulled this years Superbowl off of the skin of their teeth. Manning performs well in the clutch but that's it. I want to see above a 60 percent completion percentage next year and I will put him in the elite class. Its not going to happen though. Especially since he has 3 amazing wide outs.
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