The Instigator
darkhearth
Pro (for)
Losing
24 Points
The Contender
m93samman
Con (against)
Winning
43 Points

Eliminate Tran's Fat in our Schools

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m93samman
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/1/2010 Category: Health
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 3,413 times Debate No: 13529
Debate Rounds (3)
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darkhearth

Pro

THIS SHALL BE JUST LIKE A PUBLIC FORUM Round

FIRST ROUND SHALL AN INTRODUCTION TO THE TOPIC (NO DEBATE IN THE FIRST ROUND)

SECOND ROUND IS THE MAIN ROUND WERE YOU STATE YOUR ARGUMENT

THE FINAL ROUND SHALL BE A CROSS EXAMINATION SECTION AND REFUTATION ( DEBATE AGAINST OPPONENTS POINT OR ARGUMENT)
m93samman

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate, and will define terms for him, since he didn't do so.

School: an institution where instruction is given, esp. to persons under college age [1]

Eliminate: to remove or get rid of, esp. as being in some way undesirable [2]

Trans fat: Trans fat is the result of adding hydrogen to a vegetable oil (hydrogenation) to improve its shelf life, flavor and functional properties. Tans fats have been linked to heart disease. The FDA has determined that trans fat should be consumed in minimum quantities [3]

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com...

[2] http://dictionary.reference.com...

[3] www.soydelicious.com/products/carbescapes_glossary.html

Trans fat, in schools, seems to be a problem. My opponent wants to remove trans fat from these institutions; I will contend that this is unnecessary, for there is no trans fat in schools.

Schools are generally made of either wood, concrete, or bricks. You can browse through some pictures if you like to prove it http://www.google.com...=

Anyways, I contend that wood, concrete, and bricks have no trans fat. It is my opponent's burden to prove otherwise. I look forward to an interesting debate.
Debate Round No. 1
darkhearth

Pro

I thank my opponent for the amazing but irrelevant definition.

It is clear that we need to abolish Trans Fat in our schools for the following reasons:

Risk of Trans Fat
Obesity
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Trans fat as we know raises your bad (LDL) cholesterol levels and lower your good (HDL) cholesterol levels. The consumption of Tran's fats increases your threat of developing heart disease and stroke. It's also associated with a higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes. It is the role of the government to look into many conflicts and determine which to implement and which to refuse; this is determined by looking into the conflicts and trying to determine which is proportional and which is not proportional. This is an example of a disproportionate problem and the government must look into it. Experts blame Tran's fats for at least 30,000 premature deaths a year. Experts now say Tran's fats are "the biggest food-processing disaster in U.S. history". An article from America Hearth organization states that Trans fats are currently thought to cause at least 30,000 premature deaths each year. In addition, experts believe just reducing the amount of Tran's fats in margarine's would prevent 6,300 heart attacks annually. In additional Tran's fat also causes obesity and creates a bad eating habit. In basic terminology, trans fat is made when a product manufacturer adds hydrogen to vegetable oil. The purpose of hydrogenation is to increase the flavor stability and shelf life of these processed foods. However we must see that we cannot afford to feed these unhealthy foods to our children because the damage produced by Tran's fat is simply to great and diverse for us to take chances.
Trans fat adds to obesity in our schools, obesity is a growing problem in the United States, one that needs to be responded to and immediately. With more than 65% of obese kids in the United States, we are creating a time era that is now known as the obese generation. With obesity also been a genetics problem, it is clear that if we continue to serve trans fat in our schools, more than 75% of kids will be obese by the year 2015. The schools are there to promote what is right and to downgrade the wrong; however we find that the school is in a position where it desires money more than the children's edification and health care. This means that they buys the cheaper Tran's Fat contaminated foods rather than the well prepared healthy food. An article from cdc.gov states that "The percentage of children who are obese1 has more than doubled, and among adolescents the rates have more than tripled since 1980. Obesity is a risk factor for health conditions such as diabetes and is associated with problems such as poor self-esteem".
Finally, the alternatives and solution are so simple that we find our self asking why the government have not approved it yet. Alternatives could involve the use of using saturated fat but in a lesser rate. A list from txf.org gives us many other alternatives to Tran's fat in which it states:
natural trans fats.
Butter
Butter fat
Coconut and palm oils
Animal fat
Fully hydrogenated vegetable oil
Traditional liquid vegetable oils
Liquid vegetable oils from advanced oilseeds
Interesterification
Non-fats
Yes I understand that we simply cannot stop the kids these days from going out and consuming Tran's Fat but we could limit it through commercials and ADS. Many students watch televisions and use the computer as well so advertising the dangers of Tran's fat would not only reduce the use of Tran's fat but also enlighten people of its dangers.

SOURCES
http://www.cdc.gov...
http://www.medicinenet.com...
http://www.webmd.com...
http://www.tfx.org.uk...
m93samman

Con

For the sake of my sanity, I'll pretend my round 1 was only an introduction, and no arguments were provided.

My opponents sources were not tagged with his arguments; if he could do that it would be very much appreciated.

===Con Case===

1) The Benefits of Trans-Fat [1] [2] [3]

In this article by Science Daily, we find that, contrary to my opponent's research, LDL was REDUCED by 25%, while triglycerides were reduced by over 50%. This is a significant health benefit that can be found in naturally occurring trans fats.

Moreover, from the same article, trans fats "can reduce risk factors associated with heart disease, diabetes and obesity".

I believe this article is enough to refute my opponent's arguments, as it addresses all of the problems presented my opponent. The issue is, part of my opponent's argument is about being preventative towards the future; he points out that research indicates that 75% of kids will be obese by 2015. You can't simply extrapolate data and expect to be accurate; instead, you look to all of the current effects and respond accordingly.

In another article, David Kritchevsky of the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia writes,

"In recent years, animal fats have been scorned as promoters of chronic disease. The possibility that the trans fats in CLA offer health benefits and are naturally "only found in animal fat is proof God has a sense of humor,"" [4]

Since my opponent did not define trans fats, we are left with both the good and the bad trans fats. This drops the debate at a dead impasse, simply because to eliminate the harms would also eliminate the seemingly equal or excessive benefits. But, I contend that, since the good balances out the harm, there is no need to change anything, and undergoing the process to remove trans fats would be expensive, we don't need to change anything- I advocate the status quo.

I thank my opponent for the debate.

Sources~~

[1] http://www.sciencedaily.com...

[2] http://www.preparedfoods.com...

[3] http://www.healthcastle.com...

[4] http://findarticles.com...
Debate Round No. 2
darkhearth

Pro

My sources were meant for further Knowledge.
My opponent failed to follow the rules stated in the first round ( Round three is for cross examination and not round two).

Yes I agree with my opponent when he states that LDL was reduced by 25% but this was only accomplished due to the reduction of Tran's fat use by Fast Food restaurants http://latimesblogs.latimes.com....

My opponent states that trans fats "can reduce risk factors associated with heart disease, diabetes and obesity". However this is rather the opposite of Tran's Fat effect on the human body. if I must reference again, Tran's fat increases the risk of hearth disease, diabetes and yes including diabetes http://www.heart.org.... I stated that 75% of kids will be obese by 2015 not to indicate or educate you on the future but to simply show you the rate of obese kids in the United States.

I would also disagree with my opponent when he stated that I did not clearly define the meaning of Tran's Fat. Tran's Fat as I mentioned earlier is a type of Fat or that lowers your good cholesterol while increasing the bad cholesterol in the body. It is used mainly for additional flavor.
seeing that my opponent has no clear taught towards the idea of banning trans fat in our school system, We must see that this debate is over as of right now.

For future reference:
Google.com
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com...
http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com...
http://www.news-medical.net...
http://www.cdc.gov......
http://www.medicinenet.com......
http://www.webmd.com......
http://www.tfx.org.uk......
m93samman

Con

Thank you for your response.

It seems my opponent is lost. Cross examination is a series of questions and answers, not rebuttals. Moreover, PF has 4 rounds. You can see the rules here. http://www.nflonline.org...

The article provided shows NOTHING about the reduction of LDLs by 25% as a result of removing trans fats. Extend my argument.

Darkhearth simply restates his arguments, and doesn't refute the fact that science is at an impasse regarding trans fats. Given that the harms and goods have not been weighed against each other, but I have shown that studies have proven both that it helps (my sources) and harms (opponent's sources) in the same categories, we cannot make a reasonable decision. Thus, I contend that actually removing the trans fats would simply be an economic squandering.

As for the definition, it was never truly "defined"; he simply made the claim that trans fats are bad and attempted to make that the definition. As I have shown, there are both good and bad trans fats, and we never distinguished between natural and artificial trans fats.

There has been no debate; as an impasse, the voter should default CON.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
wtf is this votebombing?
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
Wow darkhearth, good job.
Posted by dinokiller 6 years ago
dinokiller
You, FAIL, For voting for yourself the max points.
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
I hate when they take the trans fat out of stuff. It taste bad...
Posted by darkhearth 6 years ago
darkhearth
Just like con sayed, it can be interpreated in multiple ways and one of those ways is by looking at its health benefits and risk. (which Con failed to provide)
Posted by Ls4baseball 6 years ago
Ls4baseball
well this turned really gay, i wish i had taken it cause this would have been fun for me cause ive never debated it but its def interesting.
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
I understand, but it's not objectively true. It can be interpreted multiple ways, and since no framework was provided by Pro, I provided it.
Posted by lovelife 6 years ago
lovelife
When you talk about skin and such there is a such thing as inner-outer. The inner part of you skin, is still not inside of you, because to be inside of you implies being more than skin deep inside.
Same goes for buildings, to be inside a builing you need to be on the well inside. You can't just be a wall and be considered inside. You have to be a wall that is inside first!
I honestly don't know how to say what I'm saying in a way that makes sense at this moment....hopefully you can understand.
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
the inner side is on the inside. The hypodermis of my skin is inside me, the epidermis of my skin is outside me; my skin is both inside of and outside of me.
Posted by lovelife 6 years ago
lovelife
No the parts inside are within the walls. The walls are not included. Neither are windows, doors etc.
Only the parts within the walls.
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