The Instigator
dodo
Pro (for)
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The Contender
Danielle
Con (against)
Winning
21 Points

End is more important then means

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/2/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dodo

Pro

End is more important then means
Danielle

Con

I'd like to begin by noting that my opponent has not offered any introductory arguments, definitions, examples, values, criterion, etc. That said, I'll keep this fairly general in order for Pro to have an opportunity to present her case in the next round. For now, I'll provide some basic opposition. I negate the resolution: The ends justify the means. One contention in my favor is that this is a very inclusive resolution; as such, we cannot be sure of what "the ends" or "the means" actually are. In that case, if we are to assume that morality or ethics are the basis or standard for this debate, then we cannot know which ends or means we are actually discussing. All I would have to do is provide is one ethically questionable example in which the ends do not justify the means according to standard morality.

Perhaps a more fair example would be one of which there is a legitimate argument from both sides. One prevalent instance in society is the issue of the War on Terrorism, or more specifically, a restriction of personal liberties and freedoms (including the right to privacy) all in the name of - or with the ends - being people believing that they are safe in American society. Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." In this instance, I would argue that the ends do not justify the means.

Another example in my favor would be, say, the government having the desire or end goal of improving the economy, and using the means of destroying or exploiting other world economies to do so. Yet another would be Eugenics: Hitler's plan to practice selective breeding in getting rid of everyone he found to be "defective." While this can seem a bit harsh, even a highly desirable end, such as world peace, could take disastrous means (unnecessary war and death) to achieve it. Again we are still waiting on some type of argument for Pro to defend her view that the affirmation of the resolution would apply to any of these examples.

Remember that in this debate, every action that helped to achieve a goal must be factored into the equation. This debate should be decided on whether or not the final outcome in each presented situation would be worth every single action that it took or could take to achieve it (morally). I'd like to wish Pro the best of luck in defending this ideal.
Debate Round No. 1
dodo

Pro

dodo forfeited this round.
Danielle

Con

People don't complete debates that they start with me. *Sigh* Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
dodo

Pro

dodo forfeited this round.
Danielle

Con

Extend my arguments, I guess...
Debate Round No. 3
dodo

Pro

dodo forfeited this round.
Danielle

Con

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
dodo

Pro

dodo forfeited this round.
Danielle

Con

Pro has not made any arguments, and has not refuted mine (or even posted a second round... she barely posted a first). Please extend my arguments and vote Con. Also, if someone would like to debate this resolution from the Pro position, please send me a challenge :)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by wonderwoman 7 years ago
wonderwoman
Obviously Kantianism vs Util
Posted by silntwaves 7 years ago
silntwaves
what do u mean by that?
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