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wjmelements
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rangersfootballclub
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Environmentalists picked the wrong 'poster child' for Global Warming.

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Started: 4/12/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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wjmelements

Pro

I affirm the above resolution.

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Definitions:
Environmentalists- a person concerned with the protection and preservation of the natural environment http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
poster child- I am referring to the polar bear
Global Warming- an increase in the overall temperature worldwide believed to be caused by the greenhouse effect http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
wrong- Not fitting or suitable http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Wrong is also defined as:
-Not in conformity with fact or truth

In order to affirm the resolution, I must prove that Polar Bears are either false 'poster childs' or not fitting as 'poster childs' of Global Warming.
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1. Polar bear populations are increasing across the world.
2. Polar bears are malevolent towards humans.
3. Polar bears eat cute little baby seals.
4. The penguin would make a better poster child.
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1. Polar bear populations are increasing across the world.

Writes the Telegraph,
"Pictures of a polar bear floating precariously on a tiny iceberg have become the defining image of global warming but may be misleading, according to a new study"
It goes on, "A survey of the animals' numbers in Canada's eastern Arctic has revealed that they are thriving, not declining, because of mankind's interference in the environment."

Later, the Telegraph states, "the damaging effect of global warming was misplaced."
Referring to the poor picture of the polar bear clinging to ice, an expert says, "Contrary to concern over a celebrated photograph of a bear and its cub floating on a tiny iceberg, the animals often travel in that way".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
The polar bear population has almost tripled in The Davis Strait Area (same source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk... )
The same trend is occurring globally. (Still same source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk... )

Because Polar Bears are not threatened by Global Warming, they are false, or wrong poster childs of global warming.

2. Polar bears are malevolent towards humans.

Polar bears often attack humans. http://www.seaworld.org...
"There have been several recorded cases of Polar Bears attacking humans" http://www.enature.com...
You can watch an attack hear: http://animal.discovery.com...

Because people do not sympathise polar bears, they do not care as much and therefore, polar bears are not as emotionally effective as poster children.

3. Polar Bears eat cute little baby seals.

You saw the video in the corner.

Aren't they evil?
On a more objective level, polar bears eat baby seals ( http://www.seaworld.org... ), and people think baby seals are cute ( http://www.sfgate.com... ).
People are less likely to care for something so evil it would eat a 'cute little baby seal', even though this is just natural behavior.

Put it simply, the polar bear is not the best poster child for Global Warming.

4. Penguins are better poster children than polar bears.

People sympathise and love penguins. March of the Penguins proved this.

Because of 'melting ice shelves', penguins are losing their habitats, and therefore dying. http://penguinsunited.com...

Penguin populations have actually been decreasing. http://wild-birds.suite101.com...

Therefore, penguins would be a better poster child of global warming than polar bears.
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rangersfootballclub

Con

You say polar bears are not the right poster child for enviromentalists.

i say they are. heres why , i will present no sources though for many reasons , one their are to many mixed views about this subject and to many claimed hoaxs , also i really cant be botherd and if you dont belive me look it up.

Polar bear population may be increasing , but this has been due to stricter production of the bears from hunting , hunting kills them a lot faster than global warming and a lot more of them. however very soon ( 30-40 years soon ).
You are going to realise that the polar bear is bonned. If the polar ice caps keep melting at these rates , and will probably speed up , the polar bears will almst certainly die , unless they are re-homed in some crappy zoo.

your other poin which you quote from the telegraph
"Pictures of a polar bear floating precariously on a tiny iceberg have become the defining image of global warming but may be misleading, according to a new study"

is true because i told you why they are thriving its no secret , and since its true it can only be good , even if it is considered mis-leading that is good for the enviromentalists because people will become concerned , remember we are not here to say which one is the true poster child , we are aruging in a way which one is the best , and if more people are concerned about the polar bear then it can only be good right ?

now onto your point about baby seals , which i shall present my one source

http://www.thechihuahuadiaries.com...

not all baby seal are cute. besides who cares polar bears look big and cuddely , and i forgot to mention if they dont eat baby seals chances are there would'nt be any around here today !
eating them is part of the polar bears survival. There are i think only around 15,000 polar bears in the world , however there are tens of millions of seals , so exchanging a few of those seals for the survival of 15,000 polar bears is good. Also when you say penguins are better than polar bears , think again for every child that has a cuddely penguin , there are probably 5 kids with a cuddely polar bear.

also when you say that the polar bears attack the humans , thats because they can and penguins fail , normally polar bears only do it to protect their young or scare off some stupid looking human , or also because its hungry because of global warming.
and penguin populations are decreasing because thhey are over-populated in the first place and also because of global warming , remember , it doesnt matter which one is affected the most , unless the penguin numbers drop below the number of polar bears soon , or if they become extinct or decrease by the millions , the polar bear will always win public sympathy and will generally be seen as more in danger , remember enviromentalists can use propaganda as well.
Debate Round No. 1
wjmelements

Pro

I thank my opponent for accepting this debate.

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POLAR BEARS:
My opponent claims that polar bears will eventually die if global warming keeps going. However, as I have sourced, so will Penguins. However, penguins would have been a better choice for the reasons I discussed.

There are many arguments on both sides of the debate as to why polar bears are increasing in population. The cause is not so important as the results. Because polar bear populations have increased in times of polar warming, the polar bear is not a good poster child for global warming. Again, I argue that the penguin would have been a better choice.

"even if it is considered mis-leading that is good for the enviromentalists because people will become concerned , remember we are not here to say which one is the true poster child , we are aruging in a way which one is the best , and if more people are concerned about the polar bear then it can only be good right ?"
Your run-on was very confusing, but what you are arguing is that even though it is misleading, it is effective and that effectiveness is all that matters. However, what you do not take into consideration is that when people figure out that polar bears cling to ice chunks voluntarily as means for transportation, they will not consider anything else spewed by the greens to be propoganda as well.
When people lose confidence in a group, it is seldom regained. For this reason, the polar bear is not a good poster child for global warming.
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CHIHUAHUAS
My opponent sources a picture of a chihuahua to prove that 'not all baby seal are cute'.
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SEALS
Seals are not malevolent to humans like polar bears, and humans do not like to watch cute little baby seals get torn apart.
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PENGUINS
On the flip side, penguins are actually decreasing in population, so they make much more effective tools of propoganda than polar bears on a cruise from one glacier to the next.
People think penguins are cute, and are emotionally attached to them, especially after the movie, Marching of the Penguins.
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FALSE CLAIM
"or also because its hungry because of global warming."
Polar bears do not get hungry because of global warming. The seals they eat off of are also booming, so their food supply is increasing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
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CONCESSION
My opponent concedes that penguins are dying because of global warming.
"penguin populations are decreasing because thhey are over-populated in the first place and also because of global warming"
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CONCLUSION
Something that is actually dying because of global warming is much more effective as propoganda than something that's not. Therefore, penguins would have been the right choice as the poster child of global warming. The environmentalists chose the polar bear instead, and because they didn't make the right choice, they made the wrong choice.
Vote PRO.

I thank my opponent for this debate.
rangersfootballclub

Con

i would like to thank my opponent for posting a response to my points.

Like i said before , if the public see it as dying its ok , enviromentalists ( well most of them ) have not really claimed the polar bear is dying as we speak , they claim that if something is not done and thigns continue as they are , the polar bear will become extinct in a few decades , which sounds a long time but its really not. The public are thinking that enviromentalists are telling them lies , which to some extent may be true. However like i said the polar bear is in trouble and there is no denying that , maybe it does not look like it now , but i can guarantee you , unless somethign drastic is done , the polar bear will become exctinct a lot sooner than the penguins.

Like i will say again , it is widely been accepted that the large increase in the polar bear population is due to hunting restrictions on them now. The decrease in penguins was inevitable as they were over-populated to begin with and hunting penguins has not been restricted becuase they are not classed as endangered or under threat animals.

Now to the part were you are making a thing about polar bears killing seals , i will say it once its nature , you cannot justify using that as a case agaisnt polar bears , because you are a human , now go to a slaughter house if it will enlighten you to waht exactly humans do to animals , also humans kill baby seals baby slowly clubbing them to death , polar bears kill them quickly , but like i said its nature and you wouldnt be having this debate if polar bears didnt eat seals.

also my last point , my picture was a joke lol , but its actually a baby seal thats been photoshoped :P
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by wjmelements 5 years ago
wjmelements
This was a fun topic.

Note that a few of the links are now dead, including the video.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
I've heard that too (and somewhat believe it).

People that would ordinarily care about the polar bears though end up hearing that their population has increased. They then believe it is some great propoganda machine.

Desparity to make other people agree with one's self leads to no one agreeing with one at all.
Posted by rangersfootballclub 8 years ago
rangersfootballclub
are you Ileatarateeie ? u no spoke anglish no aple to rod as woll ?

polar bears will die first .. the only reason populations are increasing is due to a decrease in hunting them ...
Posted by mongoose 8 years ago
mongoose
No, penguins would have been much better. You are ignoring all of the facts.
Posted by Biggbrother 8 years ago
Biggbrother
and epicism is truth this debate was vote bombed
Posted by Biggbrother 8 years ago
Biggbrother
ok 18,580,000 +160,000 erect crested+500,000 fairy penguins+5000 fiordland pengs+1200 galapagos pengs+624,000 gentoo pengs +6000 humbolts+2,000,000 King pengs+18,000,000 macaroni pengs+unknown magelanic pengs+7,340,000 rock hopper pengs+1,720,000 royals+ 46,000 snares island pengs+ 4800 yellow eyes.
for a grand total of 48,911,800 penguins vs 25,000 bears

whos in more danger
who would be a better poster child
the polar bear
idiot
Posted by Biggbrother 8 years ago
Biggbrother
and now for the bears

COMMON NAME: polar bear
KINGDOM: Animalia
PHYLUM: Chordata
CLASS: Mammalia
ORDER: Carnivora
FAMILY: Ursidae
GENUS SPECIES: Ursus (bear) maritimus (sea) - sorry thats it they are the only ones

DESCRIPTION: Polar bears are the largest land carnivore. Adapted for the cold, polar bears have a thick fur coat that appears white in coloration, but is really translucent. Their black skin color is readily apparent on the nose, eyes, lips and footpads. In addition to their size and color, polar bears may also be distinguished from other bear species by their smaller ears, longer necks and the lack of a dorsal hump in adults.
DIET: Adult polar bears need an average of 2 kg (4.4 lb.) of fat per day to maintain their weight. Their diet includes mostly ringed and bearded seals and also includes other seal species, walruses, narwhals, beluga whales, whale carcasses, fish, reindeer, birds, eggs, berries and kelp.
see they just dont eat seals they eat berries and kelp too! better call those vegan buddies of yours!
HABITAT: Inhabit Arctic sea ice, water, islands, and continental coastlines

POPULATION: GLOBAL Estimated at 21,500-25,000

chin strap 6.5 million pairs = 13 million plus adelie 2.5 BP 5 million + 180,000 african penguins 200,000 BP emporer =400,000 what are we at 18,580,000
running out of characters next slide
Posted by Biggbrother 8 years ago
Biggbrother
You want sympathy how about being the only species of your kind being wiped out from GW.
How many species of penguin are there
There are 17 species of penguins: • emperor - Aptenodytes forsteri
• king - Aptenodytes patagonica
• Adélie - Pygoscelis adeliae
• gentoo - Pygoscelis papua
• chinstrap - Pygoscelis antarcticus
• rockhopper - Eudyptes crestatus
• macaroni - Eudyptes chrysolophus
• royal - Eudyptes schlegeli
• Fiordland crested - Eudyptes pachyrhynchus
• erect-crested - Eudyptes sclateri
• Snares Island - Eudyptes robustus
• yellow-eyed - Megadyptes antipodes
• fairy (little blue) - Eudyptula minor
• Magellanic - Spheniscus magellanicus
• Humboldt - Spheniscus humboldti
• black-footed - Spheniscus demersus
• Galapagos - Spheniscus mendiculus

SEXUAL MATURITY: Approximately 3-8 years

LIFE SPAN: For most species, the average lifespan is 15-20 years although some individuals live much longer.

RANGE: All penguins live south of the equator, from the icy waters of Antarctica to the tropical Galápagos Islands off the coast of Ecuador, just south of the equator.

HABITAT: Tend to inhabit islands and remote landmasses that are relatively free from land predators. Some species spend nearly 75% of their life at sea.

POPULATION: GLOBAL Chinstrap penguins may be the most numerous penguin species, with a population estimated at 6.5 million breeding pairs. The vulnerable yellow-eyed penguin population is estimated at less than 7,000.

6.5 breeding pairs! and its just one species! wow bet theyll get knocked off soon
HABITAT: Avoids pack ice and continental coasts, except near the Antarctic peninsula; usually remains near breeding islands throughout the year. oops guess they dont need ice
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
lol. Good call.
Posted by Epicism 8 years ago
Epicism
Troll.
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