Essentially, human beings must pay to live and humans are the only ones who have to pay
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Even when you go site seeing. You still get a hotel room. You have to shop for a hotel room. Nothing in this country is free. And we're the only species on the planet that has to pay to live. You have to pay for a house to be built, you have to pay for the land you're using, the food you eat, the bed you lay on, and the way you move. Even hunting has to be paid for. You have to obtain a hunting license to hunt and to do that you have to buy it. You wanna travel to another state? Pay a toll by car or for a ticket by plane or train. You wanna leave this country? Need to pay on your way out. Not a god damn thing moves without money exchanging in this place. In order to be considered an active member of society, you must have a job or you must be a student... that is paying to go to school. When it comes to medicine, if we go straight to the plant that produces the drug, then we can be locked up or fined (marijuana), but if you buy it from a pharmaceutical, then it's okay. Human beings are more evolved than they believe, but human beings have not taking advantage of their evolution. We are not superior to animals, because we charge ourselves to stay alive. Animals do not charge dollars, cents, and labor to it's own kind in order to live. If they can build it, catch it, and run for it, then they can sleep in it, eat it, and live on. We have to pay for the land we use and the materials we take. Go in to the forest and cut down a tree without paying the people that own the forest. Everything in this country is owned, so everyone has to pay for everything.
There are a lot of ways for you to survive without paying and it is possible for someone to do so. For instance you said, "Even when you go site seeing. You still get a hotel room. You have to shop for a hotel room".. REALLY? What do you think? That you can stay in someone's personal building without paying him? The food, the warm, the water, the electricity you use.. This is the point of the construction of hotels. They are used to serve people who have nothing else to stay.. And instead of being thankful that there is a place you can stay decently you prefer to complain because it is not free. There is a very simple and easy solution for you: You can stay in the road and sleep on a bunch without spending money at all. But believe me, it is not a very convenient and safe place.
Look, in order to get something you have to give something,too. No one will provide you with material or non goods for free. No one would build your house, prepare your food or design clothes for you if he/she wouldn't get anything as a reward, either it is money or something else. Money is very important for peoples' lives and I think it is better. We have a currency and this way the trades are more fair for both sides as no one could define the value of things. For example, if I gave you two bottles of milk and as an exchange I asked for oil you could not be sure what quantity to give me so that the trade is fair for both me and you.
As for the land that sometimes is considered to be owned by someone I have to tell you that you are partially justifiable because it is something that many people misunderstand. At first, it seems quite unfair for you to pay for something that it is public. But have you ever thought why this happens? Because we want to protect the environment. If everyone went to forests and cut down trees or hunted animals for free what do you think would happen? The forest would become dead and animals would become extinct. And I suppose you can guess the effects in citizen's lives. People can make profit by exploiting the nature but if they have to pay in order to do so they may wouldn't do it as they would not only earn but also spend money.
"Animals do not charge dollars, cents, and labor to it's own kind in order to live. " Yes, and as I said you can do that as well. Instead of exchanging money you could fight with other species in order to get what you want. Is that better? "If they can build it, catch it, and run for it, then they can sleep in it, eat it, and live on." Yes, and why are you so sure that you would be able to do all these things. If you were, you would move to one of those plentiful unowned geographic locations where there is no money and live the life you want. But it is not as simple as you think it it. But you understand subconsciously that it is not as simple as you think it is and you prefer to live in an organized and civilized society.
Humans pay for mobilization and living. Humans pay for plots of land with no life on them. I do not want to go live in the wild. I want to live among civilized beings who value a human life more than they value a dollar. We send our children off to die for monetary reasons. Sure, terrorism and the spread of democracy were reasons, but if money couldn't be made, then we wouldn't go.
GMC recalled a vehicle that were having issues that essentially caused deadly crashes. They knew of said problem for while before recalling. Why? Because they do an evaluation of lives lost versus money lost. If someone needs to think that the number of lives lost is or isn't worth saving, then we are not advanced. Am I implying socialism? Well if socialism is that man comes before money and not money before man, then yes, I am implying socialism. I do not see a flaw in the idea that the dollar can never hold a value to a life, and a happy civilized life.
you have not realized something really important:
"Well if socialism is that man comes before money and not money before man, then yes, I am implying socialism. "
Money is not a bad thing but something that make us powerful. And this is what all the beings try to become. All the animals want to become powerful. And this is why people focus on money. If potatoes(for example) made people powerful then everyone would try to have as many potatoes as possible. Everyone would be obsessed in making money. This is not about money itself but human's nature. Even if we abolish money then we will dedicate ourselves to something else that will make us powerful. And this is why money comes first and the human beings in general second. Because first, we have to think about ourselves and make our desires come true in order to be satisfied with ourselves and then we will think about all the people on earth. This is something physical and it is not a bad thing.The human nature make us want to become powerful and this is something all people want to do( some want it more while some others less) and it is a physical need. \1;t is neither selfishness nor greed.. It is 100% physical and moral. "I want to live among civilized beings who value a human life more than they value a dollar" this is impossible to happen just because people should care more for themselves and not for the others. If we care for the others first then we won't get evolved as we will think about other's desires than ours.
"What I am saying is this is not an example of advanced beings" [...] " If someone needs to think that the number of lives lost is or isn't worth saving, then we are not advanced." This opinion is 100% wrong. In fact,the greed and our evolved brain is what made as advanced. Our desire to become powerful has made us try to find different ways to benefit. And this way we invented treatments for diseases, we have developed technologically, discover the world and gain knowledge etc. Human greed is an indication for a civilization that has possibilities to develop.
No one should build a home for free. Correct! But, the fact that something that is required for living is a charge that we have to pay. Most people that are a part of the modern industrialized world need a house, electricity, water, and heat to live off of. All of those services are not free in the modern industrialized world. Well, we can get our own water by going to a lake 5 miles away everyday, and we can go chop down firewood to make heat, but firewood isn't free. You still have to pay to go get it. Yeah, we should only get out of life what we put in to it, but see money is not powerful. A piece of paper with numbers in the corner are powerless. Something is only as powerful as one makes it out to be.
I think I was very unclear. I didn't make much sense when I started this debate at 3:00AM. I look like an idiot, and I feel like an idiot, and I tried to play it off as if I knew what I was doing. I apologize for the time I wasted. I feel pretty stupid. Thanks for putting up with me, all
So, I will rebut your arguments, too...Let's start!:
"Most people that are a part of the modern industrialized world need a house, electricity, water, and heat to live off of. All of those services are not free in the modern industrialized world." OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT FREE!! who would provide you with electricity, oxygenated water and heat for free? Who would build your house for free? In order these things to be available for you, we need some people to work. Would you work for free? NO!! and no one would do that!
" we can go chop down firewood to make heat, but firewood isn't free. You still have to pay to go get it. " The same things again and again! I explained in round 3 why this happens and if you want you can travel to an uncivilized place either to live or just to chop down some firewood and then you can come back!
"but see money is not powerful. A piece of paper with numbers in the corner are powerless. Something is only as powerful as one makes it out to be." Yes, I agree with you.. Something is as powerful as one makes it out to be.. The point is that WE HAVE MADE MONEY POWERFUL!! I think that I have analyzed and explained this too much! Just read the previous rounds...
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Reasons for voting decision: Con's rebuttals were more attacking Pro than rebuttals, they did not properly rebut Pro's arguments and almost gave Pro a conduct point. Even if somebody moved to a country where they could attempt to live off hunting and self sufficiency, they would still be asked to pay taxes and likely squatting fees.
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