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ILoveCheese
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gahbage
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Europe will be eurabia

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/20/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 925 times Debate No: 4460
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ILoveCheese

Pro

eurabia is inevitable if radical secularist societies in europe do not embrace their judeo christian heritage.
gahbage

Con

I will take the liberty of defining "eurabia" since my opponent hasn't.

Eurabia: Arabia [Saudi Arabia] taking over/having control over part or all of Europe.

Now let's look at the situation. Europe has England and France. Both are a major military power and have nukes. Europe itself also has far more military strength than Saudi Arabia. How will they fall?

That's the only contention I need for now.
Debate Round No. 1
ILoveCheese

Pro

Forgive me, I started several debates last night DUI (debating under the influence) and the quality is clear lol.

I will argue the point made by Mark Steyn. Europeans radical secular states are destined to change due to the failure inherent in replacing Judeo Christian values with Radical Secularlism and Moral Relativism.

Regardless of how one defines radical secularlism or moral relativism, europeans are not having babies. By abandoning family values, the families have shrunk in size. Total fertility rates in Europe are all below replacement levels. This is in stark contrast to the positive replacement levels by their muslim populations.

Unless, Europeans start having babies, Europe will become Eurabia.
gahbage

Con

Europeans did not stop having babies altogether. I'm sure at least European gave birth today. As long as babies are made (lol), Europe will not be Eurabia.

In addition, we have a defense alliance with Europe (NATO). If Arabia went into Europe, we would defend them. Also, Europe still has nukes. And there are more Europeans than Arabians. Therefore Eurabia will not be happening.
Debate Round No. 2
ILoveCheese

Pro

I am not discussing war with Muslim countries. What I am arguing is that Europe will become mostly Muslim due to the anti family biases in the current cultures of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

TFR of 2.1 is basically equilibrium. Can you spot the European countries with TFR above 2.1?

Muslims in Europe have TFR substantially higher than the average. It is inevitable that Europe will be Musliim dominated unless they leave their anti family radical secularlism. Note that I am not saying that a Muslim dominated Europe would be a bad thing.
gahbage

Con

"TFR of 2.1 is basically equilibrium. Can you spot the European countries with TFR above 2.1?"

Europe will surely change its ways before it is too late. Obviously they are not trying to depopulate by not having babies, or it probably would've already happened. So eventually they will change their "anti-family ways".

Regardless, this hardly matters at this point in time. http://en.wikipedia.org...
This is a list of countries by population. The total population of the European Union (EU) is about 497,198,740. The EU is 27 countries in Europe. The total population of Saudi Arabia is 24,735,000. The EU is over 20 times the size of Saudi Arabia. TFR will take an incredibly long time to even out the population.
(Can Saudi Arabia even hold the population of the EU?) Once again, EU has nukes. So war is not an option.

Now, my opponent states that Europe will go Muslim. Not only is this claim false, but it does not prove his point. Just because you practice an Islamic religion does not mean you are Arabian. Even if Europe did go Muslim, they would still be European, not Arabian. So there would be no "Eurabia".

Vote Con, because I have proved that Europe will not become Eurabia.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Darkfire62 8 years ago
Darkfire62
On this issue the con had most definitely won this debate. First of all, the pro only had two arguments. These were that Europeans weren't having babies and that they weren't embracing judeo Christian heritage. Now I don't know about the pro debater, but I just went to Europe and not only did I see people strongly believing in Christianity, but I saw plenty of babies in England and France. Not only did the con debater prove his point by saying that the EU was far grater in population and size than Saudi Arabia, but that the pro's arguments didn't even prove his point. For this I vote neg. (con)
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