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European countries must restrict immigration.

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Started: 11/21/2015 Category: Politics
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Dilara

Pro

The first round will be acceptance. The second round will be arguments and the third round will be rebuttals and conclusions.
Zerotime

Con

I will hereby accept your challenge. I'm keen on seeing your arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
Dilara

Pro

Most immigrants coming into Europe are not Syrian, according to the EU. http://www.dailymail.co.uk... 21% of the immigrants in Europe are Syrian. Others are pretending to be Syrian to get into Europe. http://www.smh.com.au... according to Serbian border police 90% of those arriving in Macedonia claim they are Syrian, even though they have no pass ports to prove it. The chief of the European Union border agency Frontex, Fabrice Leggeri said that trafficking in fake Syrian passports has increased. "A lot of people enter Turkey with fake Syrian papers because they know that they'll get asylum in the EU more easily,".
Even the people, who are Syrian, are not refuges. A refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution or natural disaster. They were refugees when they left Syria, and came to Turkey. They were safe in Turkey, but have left and are coming to Europe for a higher standard of living, making them economic migrants.
72% of the migrants in Europe are men, 15% are women and only 13% are children.
http://ec.europa.eu... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com...
Another point Mr. brought up was education.45% of children with low test scores are immigrants. Education is another thing that will suffer if European countries continue to allow massive immigration.
http://www.breitbart.com... In November, the German interior minister announced his plan to drop educational standards in the country to help migrants get into school or find a training place. European school children will be forced to share class rooms with children who do not speak the vernacular language, and might not even be able to read.
Immigration into Europe will cause crime to sky rocket. In fact it already has. Gatestone institute released a lengthy list of crimes by migrants in Germany this year and another list of rapes by migrants, in Germany this year. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org... http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org...
Some excerpts from Gatestone's article on migrant rape in Germany.
" On January 16, a 24-year-old Moroccan immigrant raped a 29-year-old woman in DresdeOn February 1, a 27-year-old asylum seeker from Somalia was arrested after attempting to rape women in the Bavarian town of Reisbach.On February 11, a 28-year-old asylum seeker from Eritrea was sentenced to four years in prison for raping a 25-year-old German woman in Stralsund, along the Baltic Sea, in October 2014.On March 17, two Afghan asylum seekers aged 19 and 20 were sentenced to five years in prison for the "particularly abhorrent" rape of a 21-year-old German woman in Kirchheim, a town near Stuttgart, on August 17, 2014.On April 16, a 21-year-old asylum seeker from Iraq was sentenced to three years and ten months in prison for raping a 17-year-old girl at festival in the Bavarian town of Straubing in August 2014. On April 7, a 29-year-old asylum seeker was arrested for the attempted rape of a 14-year-old girl in the town of Alzenau. On May 22, a 30-year-old Moroccan man was sentenced to four years and nine months in prison for attempting to rape a 55-year-old woman in Dresden. On May 20, a 25-year-old Senegalese asylum seeker was arrested after he attempted to rape a 21-year-old German woman at the Stachus, a large square in central Munich. On June 9, two Somali asylum seekers, aged 20 and 18, were sentenced to seven-and-a-half years in prison for raping a 21-year-old German woman in Bad Kreuznach, a town in Rhineland-Palatinate, on December 13, 2014. n August 13, police arrested two Iraqi asylum seekers, aged 23 and 19, for raping an 18-year-old German woman behind a schoolyard in Hamm, a city in North Rhine-Westphalia.
On August 26, a 34-year-old asylum seeker attempted to rape a 34-year-old woman in the laundry room of a refugee facility in Stralsund, a city near the Baltic Sea. On August 28, a 22-year-old Eritrean asylum seeker was sentenced to one year and eight months in prison for attempting to rape a 30-year-old Iraqi-Kurdish woman at a refugee shelter in the Bavarian town of H"chst"dt. The reduced sentence was thanks to the efforts of the defense attorney, who persuaded the judge that the defendant's situation at the shelter was hopeless: "For a year now he sits around and thinks about " about nothingness." On August 1, a male "southerner" attempted to rape a 27-year-old woman in downtown Stuttgart
On August 3, a "North African" raped a seven-year-old girl in broad daylight in a park inChemnitz, a city in eastern Germanyon August 6, police revealed that a 13-year-old Muslim girl was raped by another asylum seeker at a refugee facility in Detmold, a city in west-central Germany. The girl and her mother reportedly fled their homeland to escape a culture of sexual violence; as it turns out, the man who raped the girl is from their country. On September 11, a 16-year-old girl was raped by an unidentified "dark-skinned man speaking broken German" close to a refugee shelter in the Bavarian town of Mering. The attack occurred while the girl was walking home from the train station.
. On August 8, a male "southerner" attempted to rape a 20-year-old woman in Siegen
On August 10, five men of "Turkish origin" attempted to rape a girl in M"nchengladbach. And a male "southerner" raped a 15-year-old girl in Rinteln .on August 13, police arrested two Iraqi asylum seekers, aged 23 and 19, for raping an 18-year-old German woman behind a schoolyard in Hamm, a city in North Rhine-Westphalia.On September 11, a 16-year-old girl was raped by an unidentified "dark-skinned man speaking broken German" close to a refugee shelter in the Bavarian town of Mering. The attack occurred while the girl was walking home from the train station.
Here's some more videos and articles on migrant violence in Europe http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.dailymail.co.uk... http://www.dailymail.co.uk... Fire tears through Slovenian camp housing thousands of migrants after refugees 'torch tents in protest at a lack of food and water and delays processing them" (Gatestone)
Here are some more articles and videos on migrant violence in Europe.
http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.dailymail.co.uk... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.breitbart.com... http://www.infowars.com... http://www.infowars.com...
There is also increased risk of terrorism. Three of the terrorists involved in the Paris, posed as "refugees" to get to Europe through Greece, Greek".. Confirmed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk... http://news.yahoo.com...
Most Europeans do not want more immigration, for understandable reasons.http://www.breitbart.com... Mass immigration will cause crime to sky rocket, and have negative affects n education and economics.
Zerotime

Con

Preamble: I've seen that you have created debates like this in the past. And I've seen too that you have always won them. But I've also noticed that you use the same arguments over and over again. Let's tackle this out of a new viewpoint.]

Do you think that everyone should have a secure place to reside? I do. Do you think that everyone, not minding their ethnicity, should be able to migrate? I do. Do you think that people have the desire to feel secure and comfy? I do.

Yes, it's true. People throw their credentials away to pretend to be Syrian. Yes, it's true. Some of them are economic refugees and not people who were forced out of their homes. Yes, it's true. Most of the refugees are men. And everything of the above is rational. Everything of the above is how it is right now. Everything of the above are decisions which were made by human beings. We do NOT talk about refugees, we DO talk about people who are refugees. These people are humans first, and refugees second.

Mankind is a global community, not a local group. Mankind is a developing being, and everyone is related to it. Even these humans who are refugees.

You speak a lot about crime and how the rate of crime increases. It's true. How well can you integrate into a community where ideals, ideas and most important laws are different to what you know? How well can you socialize with people of another nation where the right wing is on the rise because of people who behave antisocial? How well can you get along if everyone you see has a face of disgust? How well can you?

Yes, it's true. People who behave antisocial or even violent have to be punished for it. These people belong into prison to over think their actions so they can do better next time. Yes, it's true. Crime might partially sky rocket for a short duration. Yes, it's true. People who are refugees seem to be not grateful because they make a ruckus about not receiving food and water on time.

But are these points to refuse these people the right to immigrate from the very beginning? No, they are not. These people are human beings who are torn of war, corruption and violence. These are people who fear their very own government because the government murders them [1], everybody alongside. Men. Women. Children. These are victims. These are targeted groups. Can you realize that?

It's our duty to give them a home. It's our duty to help them to integrate themselves into a new society. It's our duty to give them an opportunity. We have to help them.

It's true. There are people who come here with an evil mind, fulfilled with hatred and anger, ready to kill other people. But these people are a minority, these people are a little minority. I've been to refugee camps, I've seen the people. I've seen how grateful the majority is. I've seen how happy they are to live in a tent with a wooden floor. I've seen how relieved they are to finally live in a warm place.

I've also seen a ruckus. People have not received their food on time. They feel insecure and become violent. These are people, they have emotions and a mind. They are not satisfied if they have to be hungry. We cry too if we don't get this one desired thing. What makes us different from them? Right, they are people who are refugees - "These people should be thankful to live in the European Union. They should be thankful that we allow and support it." That's wrong. If we were forced out of our homes, what would we do? We would behave the same!

You say that these people lost their status as refugees the moment they had reached Turkey. Yes, it's true. But do you know that the procedure of gaining asylum can take up to several years in Turkey? [2] Do you know why these people flee to another country? Because it's faster and more secure. It's no secret that Turkey isn't too friendly to people who are refugees.

The main problem seems to be that most people are not from Syria. And it's true. But we can't ignore these people either. If they come here, they are looked up, they are confronted: "Why did you come here?" Most have a solid reason. Why there are so many men? Because they leave their family to reach another country, because you can't take toddlers and little kids with on this journey, because you can die while fleeing.

An increase of crime rate can't weighed with the duty to accept other human beings. People who don't want to integrate are punished or have to leave the country. But we can't, no, we must NOT close the borders to eject everyone along. The majority must not suffer because a minority is violent. You can't punish a people because some of them have caused a ruckus.

Your proposal to stop the mass immigration can't be justified morally. These people have a right to establish themselves in a new society. We should not punish them for the doings of a minority. We punish the minority. We take care of the violent minority. But we can't justify locking down our borders, sending these people back to their war torn nation, sending them back into a death trap, sending them back to a destroyed and corrupt nation.

Mankind is a global community, not a local group.

[1] http://sn4hr.org...
[2] http://www.refugeesolidaritynetwork.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Dilara

Pro

I think you do not understand what I am saying. These countries should not close their borders completely. They should allow genuine refugees in, but not at the mass level that they are doing now and they should have a system to ensure that violent criminal and terrorists do not enter.
1. "Do you think that everyone should have a secure place to reside? I do. Do you think that everyone, not minding their ethnicity, should be able to migrate? I do. Do you think that people have the desire to feel secure and comfy? I do."
Everyone should be safe. That is why these countries should allow people who are actually fleeing danger to come, but reject those that want to come, get on welfare, not get a job, and commit crime. Safety for everyone is important, including Europeans. European parents should not fear that their children will be raped, when they go to the park, or that they will be stabbed and robbed. European women should not have to fear that they will be gang raped by immigrants when they go out. It is not only Europeans who are suffering extreme levels of violence at the hands of immigrants, but other immigrants as well. A couple of months ago a 13 year old refugee was raped in a camp by another immigrant.
2. "How well can you socialize with people of another nation where the right wing is on the rise because of people who behave antisocial? How well can you get along if everyone you see has a face of disgust? How well can you?"
The right wing is rising in Europe because people there see their countries being destroyed. This adds to one of my points--it is up to the people of Europe whether or not to sacrifice their cultures, economics, education and safety, and almost all of them agree that the answer is NO.
3."Yes, it's true. People who behave antisocial or even violent have to be punished for it. These people belong into prison to over think their actions so they can do better next time. Yes, it's true. Crime might partially sky rocket for a short duration. Yes, it's true. People who are refugees seem to be not grateful because they make a ruckus about not receiving food and water on time."
Crime will increase, and those crime levels will stay extremely high, if these countries continue to allow mass imigration.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org... Rapes in Sweden have skyrocketed by 1,472% since the mid-70"s, when they opened their doors to immigrants, with 6,620 sexual assaults being reported to police in 2014 compared to 421 in 1975.77.6 percent of the country"s rapists are identified as foreigners.
Crime rates by nationality in Denmark show that people from Muslim countries make up eight of the top nine places on the list. 2012 figures show that Somalis were sentenced for crimes, including innumerable sexual assaults, ten times more often than those with Danish citizenship. In Denmark more than half of all convicted rapists have an immigrant background, according to official statistics, even though immigrants and their descendants make up less than 10 per cent of the population.
In Norway, almost half of all rapes committed in Oslo in 2011 were done by people of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin,even though Muslim immigrants only represent 1.5 per cent of the population.100 per cent of aggravated rapes involving physical violence were committed by individuals of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. Almost half of all rapes committed in Oslo in 2011 were done by individuals of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin, even thoughMuslim immigrants only represent 1.5 per cent of the population.
People who have committed extremely hideous crimes like rape should be deported immediately. There is no excuse for that.
4."But are these points to refuse these people the right to immigrate from the very beginning? No, they are not. These people are human beings who are torn of war, corruption and violence. These are people who fear their very own government because the government murders them [1], everybody alongside. Men. Women. Children. These are victims. These are targeted groups. Can you realize that?"
Most are economic migrants.
5. "It's our duty to give them a home. It's our duty to help them to integrate themselves into a new society. It's our duty to give them an opportunity. We have to help them." It is not the European peoples jobs to give up their cultures, education systems, economies, and safety (all of which are being destroyed by this mass immigration) so that other people can feel comfortable. Imagine that you live in a nice, comfortable home, and a group of people fleeing street violence, many of whom are violent them selves want to come live there. You will have to put your self in danger of violent crime, you will have to pay for their welfare and they will not adapt to your homes rules, instead you will be expected to adapt to theirs. Should you just give up your home? Allowing mass immigration feels good now but 5, 10 or 20 years from now these European countries will suffer because of it. The futures for these countries and their people matter. Most Europeans, including Europeans who them selves immigrated to Europe from other countries do not want more migration. Its their cultures, their education systems, their economics and their safety that is at risk, so it should be up to them.
It is the European peoples cultures, economics,education systems and safety. No one should be forced to give those things up. The people of Europe did not cause the economic problems that the immigrants are fleeing and it is not their job to pay for them . As humans we owe each others kindness, respect and compassion, but NO ONE owes anyone their CULTURES, economics, education, SAFETY or FUTURES.
Thanks for the debate.
Zerotime

Con

Zerotime forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dsjpk5 1 year ago
dsjpk5
You really should consider modifying your resolution before somebody smiles it. I almost did, but had a change of heart.
Posted by dsjpk5 1 year ago
dsjpk5
You really should consider modifying your resolution before somebody smiles it. I almost did, but had a change of heart.
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