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Dilara
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European countries should restrict immigration

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Dilara
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/19/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Dilara

Pro

The first round is acceptance.
The second round will be arguments.
The third round will be rebuttals and conclusions.
InnocentUntilProvenGuilty

Con

I accept!
Debate Round No. 1
Dilara

Pro

Most migrants aren"t even from Syria, and have not been affected by the Syrian civil war. They are pretending to be Syrian in order to get to Western Europe. According to the Serbian boarder police 90% of those arriving in Macedonia claim they are Syrian even though they have no documents to prove it. The chief of the European Union border agency Frontex said that trafficking in fake Syrian passports has increased."A lot of people enter Turkey with fake Syrian papers because they know that they'll get asylum in the EU more easily," Fabrice Leggeri said. http://www.smh.com.au...
Many are fleeing conflict in other countries besides Syria. Many others who are Syrian or are fleeing conflict in another country aren"t refugees. A refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. They were refugees when they left Syria and came to Turkey. They were safe in Turkey but have left and are coming to Western Europe for a higher standard of living. This makes them economic migrants. 72 per cent of the migrants are men. 15 per cent are women and 13 per cent are children. Many of these men have clean clothes and Iphones. They appear to be well fed. Yet the media pushes a narrative of starving families desperate to escape war. Lets correct that. They"ve escaped war and many aren"t even from a war torn area. Many are well fed, with technology ect. 21% are Syrianhttp://ec.europa.eu... So most of the migrants are not refugees, and are not fleeing danger in Syria. They are conomic migrant"s coming to Europe for a higher standard of living. Many immigrants come to European countries to abuse their welfare system. http://www.infowars.com...
Economist Tino Sanandaji, immigrant, told Wente, that the "generous" country is facing huge problems, particularly when it comes to employment and crime"There has been a lack of integration among non-European refugees," [Sanandaji] told me. Forty-eight per cent of immigrants of working age don"t work, he said. Even after 15 years in Sweden, their employment rates reach only about 60 per cent. Sweden has the biggest employment gap in Europe between natives and non-natives.
In Sweden, where equality is revered, inequality is now entrenched. Forty-two per cent of the long-term unemployed are immigrants, Mr. Sanandaji said. Fifty-eight per cent of welfare payments go to immigrants. Forty-five per cent of children with low test scores are immigrants. Immigrants on average earn less than 40 per cent of Swedes. The majority of people charged with murder, rape and robbery are either first- or second-generation immigrants. "Since the 1980s, Sweden has had the largest increase in inequality of any country in the OECD," Mr. Sanandaji said.Migrants are leaving Denmark after Denmark cut the welfare budget for migrants in half. Many economic migrants are coming to Europe to enjoy welfare benefits. Another point that Mr. Sanadaji brings up is education. 45 per cent of children in Sweden who do poorly on tests are immigrants. Sweden"s welfare state has attracted many people who do not care about their kids education, getting a job or integrating into Swedish society. Stefan Molyneux from freedomain radio also brings up the problem European school kid will have if their classes are filed with children who can"t even speak their language.
https://en.wikipedia.org... According to Wikipedia 86 per cent of men n Syria and 73 percent of women in Syria and 79 per cent of the general population in Syria are literate. So European school kids will have to be in class rooms with other children who don"t speak their language, many of whom can"t even read or write"which will obviously be detrimental to the education systems in European countries. Another problem is assimilation. Taking in thousands and thousands if people from a different country, with a different religion, a different culture and a different language all within a year are committing cultural suicide. When so many people come in a short period of time assimilation is nearly impossible. When you come to a country you assimilate to their standards, not the other way around. This is why many people were bothered when German school girls were told not to wear miniskirts to avoid attacks from migrants. http://www.infowars.com... http://www.i24news.tv... When Hungarian minster Viktor Orban made this point about assimilation and cultural preservation he was called a xenophobe. When Israel and Kuwait"s prime ministers made the same points they were not shamed or called xenophobic. Appearing on Middle Eastern television, a Kuwaiti politician stated, "In the end you cannot accept people from a different ethnicity, culture and environment." http://www.infowars.com... There appears to be a double standard when European countries who have taken more people than they can handle are shamed for not taking enough but non European countries who"ve taken in 0 migrants aren"t shamed. Many European countries are, indeed taking more people than they can economically and socially support. As Patrick J. Buchanan said unless you would personally take them in to you house, pay for their existence than you have nor tight to tell European counties to do so. http://buchanan.org...(Pat%2BBuchanan%2BUpdate) I would like to rephrase Mr. Buchanans statement. Unless you would personally take in a group of people, many of whom had committed violent crimes, and pay for their existence you shouldn"t be telling Europe to do so. While most of the migrants have been, many were caught on camera assaulting Europeans. In one case they shouted "alauhu akbar f you"
Also an eyewitness at the Italy-Austrian border she saw an elderly Italian woman grabbed by her hair and pulled from her car by a group of "aggressive young men" who wanted to steal the car to get to Germany, while others threw excrement at bystanders. Other compilation videos show African migrants tearing down traffic lights, eating people up and attacking stores. http://www.infowars.com...
Migrants were also caught on camera throwing rocks at Hungarians http://www.infowars.com... Another video shows migrants in Macedonia refusing to take water from Red Cross workers. Another video migrants at a train station in Hungary throwing bottled water onto train tracks that was being handed out by police. Another video shows migrants robbing a Hungarian man who was attempting to equally distribute donated gifts http://www.infowars.com...
The worse violent crime that a migrant has done recently was in Germany when a 7 year of white German girl was raped by north African migrant in a park. http://www.infowars.com... this isn"t surprising considering how immigration has effected violent crime like rape in other European countries Denmark 2012 figures show that Somalis were sentenced for crimes, including innumerable sexual assaults, almost ten times more often than those with Danish citizenship. More than 50% of all convicted rapists in Denmark have an immigrant background, according to official statistics, despite the fact that immigrants and their descendants account for less than 10 per cent of the population. http://www.bt.dk...
Sweden Since it opened its doors in the mid 1970"s Sweden has become the rape capital of the west, with only the African counutry of Lesotho recording more sexual assaults. Rapes in Sweden has risen by 1,472% since the mid-70"s, with 6,620 sexual assaults being reported to police in 2014 compared to just 421 in 1975."77.6 percent of the country"s rapists are identified as "foreigners" There is a report by Lars Hedegaard and his colleague Ingrid Carlqvist, two journalists who documented, "A new trend (that) reached Sweden with full force over the past few decades: gang rape " virtually unknown before in Swedish criminal history. The number of gang rapes increased spectacularly between 1995 and 2006. Since then no studies of them have been undertaken."Last year, Swedish police also released a list of 55 "no go zones," mostly Muslim ghettos, where law enforcement and ambulance workers are at risk of violent attack. In 2013, Stockholm saw a wave of violent riots by mostly immigrant youth. https://www.youtube.com... Recently an investigation by Swedish newspaper Dala demokraten found that Arab migrants are being promised "free blonde Swedish girls" and tax payer funded luxury treatment if they pay people smugglers to help them reach Scandinavia http://www.infowars.com... The U.K has experienced an epidemic of Muslim rape gangs abusing white English girls. The most notable case was in Rotehrham. Muslim rape gangs abused white girls in other places which Ill link articles to in the comments. My moms family is Muslim. Not all Muslim and immigrants in Europe should take responsibility for what some do. but there is a problem of violence, crime, poverty and welfare dependence in many European immigrant communities.
InnocentUntilProvenGuilty

Con

InnocentUntilProvenGuilty forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Dilara

Pro

Conclusion.
Mass immigration is bad for Europe. It will cause more violent crime, a poorer quality education, more tax dollars taken for welfare, a clash of cultures and religions, and many other problems. European countries, along wot the Arab guff states, America, Canada and Australia should take in as many actual refugees as they can socially and economically support. We owe fellow human beings kindness and compassion, BUT no one owes anyone their culture or their future. No country should allow crime levels to rise, their education quality to decrease and their cultures to be forcibly changed.
Mass immigration will
1. cause more violet crime, as may migrants have beating up, robbing an raping Europeans and other migrants .
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Islamic rape gangs abusing white euroean gidlr is an epidemic in erope. http:
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Even before this crisis migration caused a rise in crime in many European countries
In the U.K Muslim rape gangs have abused white girls in...
Rotherham (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Rochdale (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Derby (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Bristol (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Telford (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Peterborough (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Bambury (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Aylesbury (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
In Denmark
Somalis were sentenced for crimes, including innumerable sexual assaults, almost ten times more often than those with Danish citizenship.
More than half of all convicted rapists in Denmark have an immigrant background, according to official statistics, despite the fact that immigrants and their descendants account for less than 10 per cent of the population.
In Sweden
Rapes rose 1,472% since the mid-70"s,when they opened their doors to immigration with 6,620 sexual assaults being reported to police in 2014 compared to just 421 in 1975.
77.6 percent of the country"s rapists are identified as "foreigners" even though they are less than 10 % of the population.
Norway
Almost half of all rapes committed in Oslo in 2011 were carried out by people of African, Middle Eastern or Asian descent despite the fact that Muslim immigrants only represent 1.5% of the population.
100 % of aggravated rapes involving physical violence were committed by individuals of African, Middle Eastern or Asian descent
2. be detrimental to education
45 per cent of children in Sweden who do poorly on tests are immigrant according to Wikipedia.
86 per cent of men and 73 percent of women and 79 per cent of the general population in Syria are literate. So European school kids will have to be in class rooms with other children who don"t speak their language, many of whom can"t even read or write"which will obviously be detrimental to the education systems in European countries.
3 have negative impact on economics
In Sweden Forty-two% of the long-term unemployed people are immigrants and fifty-eight % of welfare payments go to immigrants. Immigrants on average earn less than 40 per cent of Swedes.
4 a problem with assimilation. Assimilation will be impossible when thousands are taken in at a time.
And again lets be clear 21% of the migrants from Syria (http://ec.europa.eu...) while the rest have not been affected by the Syrian civil war. Others are pretending to be Syrian in order to get to Western Europe. According to the Serbian boarder police 90% of those arriving in Macedonia claim they are Syrian even though they have no documents to prove it. The chief of the European Union border agency Frontex said that trafficking in fake Syrian passports has increased. http://www.smh.com.au...
Many are fleeing conflict in other countries besides Syria. Many others who are Syrian or are fleeing conflict in another country aren"t refugees. A refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. They were refugees when they left Syria and came to Turkey. They were safe in Turkey but have left and are coming to Western Europe for a higher standard of living. This makes them economic migrants. 72 per cent of the migrants are men. 15 per cent are women and 13 per cent are children.
58% of swedes and 75% of Brits want to decrease immigration.
Mass immigration to Europe must end.
InnocentUntilProvenGuilty

Con

InnocentUntilProvenGuilty forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Dilara 2 years ago
Dilara
Conclusion. Immigration has had a negative affect n Europe. Crime, education, poverty ect.
This isn"t about shaming all Muslim Europeans, and immigrants in Europe. This isn"t about shaming an entire group of people for what some of them do. It"s about recognizing the problem that many of Europe"s Muslim and immigrant communities have relating got poverty and crime. Europeans countries as well as America and candy should take in legitimate Syrian refugees and other refugees who are who are fleeing conflict. But they have no obligation to take in economic migrants. They have no obligation to taking more than they can economically and socially support. European countries have a right to preserve their cultures and traditions without being called xenophobic. They have a right t preserve cultural identity and to be very careful about who comes into their countries. We should all do the best we can to help legitimate refugees. But no country should be obligated to do more than they can while other countries do little. No group of people should be forced to give up their cultures or futures. And that"s why European countries must restrict immigration
Posted by Dilara 2 years ago
Dilara
Muslim rape gangs also abused white girls in: Rochdale(https://en.wikipedia.org...), Derby (https://en.wikipedia.org...), Oxford, Oxfordshire (https://en.wikipedia.org... ), Bristol, (https://en.wikipedia.org... ), Telford, Shropshire, (https://en.wikipedia.org...), Peterborough, Cambridgeshire (https://en.wikipedia.org...) , Banbury, Oxfordshire (https://en.wikipedia.org... ), and Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
Posted by Dilara 2 years ago
Dilara
most of the people entering aren't refugees but are economic migrants. the migration of economic migrants should be restricted.
Posted by econometricsbysimulation 2 years ago
econometricsbysimulation
I am not sure if I understand the motion. Are you advocating that European countries should restrict the entry of refugees from the current crisis?
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Vote Placed by Mister_Man 1 year ago
Mister_Man
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Reasons for voting decision: Con ran away, and Pro was the only one to state arguments. Wishing someone who disagrees and is a frequent of this site would take her up on this.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF