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emsiblook
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FanboyMctroll
Con (against)

Everyone in privileged countries should be vegetarian

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Started: 12/8/2017 Category: Health
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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emsiblook

Pro

I believe that there is no excuse to not being vegetarian. A few decades ago, I would understand. Back then, people knew where their food came from. If you didn't raise your own food, you could get your meat from a local butcher and the milkman would deliver milk from the local dairy. Animals were never given growth hormones and antibiotics, and therefore the meat was much healthier.

Nowadays, we buy en masse from supermarkets without much thought - animals are raised in tiny, crowded cages in unhygienic conditions, without ever seeing the light of day. As if they weren't stressed enough, on the journey to the slaughterhouse, they will recieve no food or water on a ten-hour ride; trucks can range from -15 degrees to +30 degrees celcius depending on the season. In the cold, sometimes cows will freeze to the side of the truck until they are pried off with crowbars.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

Even the label of 'free-range farming' is clutching at straws; one of the requirements is that animals must be able to have access to outside light. Therefore, farmers will cut small holes in the factories. Yeah, /that/ is classed as their access to the outside world.

Eating meat is also bad for the environment; deforestation and loss of habitat is largely caused by the crop fields required to feed farm animals; whereas crops required to feed only humans is a much smaller amount.

I would support a fully free-ranged diet, but with most of our food being bought as ready meals, and processed, it is becoming more difficult to distinguish labelling of good sources of meat.

Other than that, there is simply no excuse to eating meat nowadays. Compared to what animals have to go through, when your main argument 'but its yummy' that really makes you sound ignorant as fk.

But I'd be interested in hearing other arguments against this.
FanboyMctroll

Con

Most importantly, since meat contains all the essential amino acids, it definitely ranks as one of the best sources of protein. Benefit off the many nutrients that meat contains, it is rich in iron, zinc and selenium.

Most people consider vegetables and fruits to suffice when it comes their daily nutritional needs while also thinking that plant protein is better (and safer) than animal protein.

As this is not true, here is a list of the health benefits of eating meat that all contribute to carrying out vital metabolic functions but also giving one a lot of energy as well:

Benefit 1Since meat contains a large amount of protein, this could be beneficial to the body as the need for protein is an important one for the body. Since protein is said to improve the overall health and well-being of one"s body, there are other benefits such as the repair and building of body tissues as well as the production of antibodies that will protect the body from infections, thus strengthening the immune system as well. Most importantly, since meat contains all the essential amino acids, it definitely ranks as one of the best sources of protein.

Benefit of the many nutrients that meat contains, it is rich in iron, zinc and selenium. While iron helps in forming hemoglobin that transports oxygen to different parts of your body, zinc helps in tissue formation and metabolism as well as selenium breaks down the fat and chemicals in the body.

Benefit 3Vitamins are also a big part of the one"s diet, and Vitamin A, B and D are commonly found in meat as well. Not only do these vitamins promote good vision, stronger teeth and bones but it also support the central nervous system thus promoting mental health as well. Another big benefit of eating meat is the maintenance of your skin"s health

Finally I would like to conclude for round 1 that without meat in our diet we would still be Neanderthals grazing for berries in the grasslands and forests and society would not have evolved without the meat to where we are today. In the next round I will demonstrate how human evolution is all based on the consumption of meat

As an afterthought, I would like to acknowledge my opponent and let them know that I am a meat eating Viking with roots from the Nordic region, I love meat and everything about it, vegetarians to me are just grass eating wussies that I would snap in a second with their frail muscles and bones because of the lack of protein.

Meat rules and is delicious, vegetarians all turn into wimpy anemics, bring on your argument grass eater!!! LOL
Debate Round No. 1
emsiblook

Pro

Eating a plant-based diet is proven to be much healthier than an animal-based diet(1). This is because along the food chain, all nutrients originate from the sun's energy. The sun feeds plants, plants feed bacteria, insects, animals and humans. Insects feed bigger animals, and in turn animals feed humans. Material and energy is passed on from one stage to the next, and with each stage a percentage of material and energy is lost. So, the shorter the food chain is, the less energy is lost.
Applying this to us humans, the more plant foods we consume, the more nutrients we will get in comparison to if we ate an animal-based diet.

As nutritionist Carla Golden writes, "There is simply /no/ nutrient in animal-based products that a human can't get from where the animal got it; the sun and the earth." (2)

Therefore, all the nutrients you list that are in meat, are prevalent to a much higher extent in plants and more direct sources:
Iron: Dark leafy greens such as spinach, beans, seeds, nuts, dark chocolate, and tofu.
Zinc: Wheat, seeds, beans and nuts.
Selenium: Wheat, seeds, beans and nuts.
Vitamin A: Carrots, dark leafy greens, sweet potatoes, bell peppers.
Vitamin B12: comes from bacteria in the soil, so instead of eating dirt we can substitute this with vitamin B12 supplements, or fermented soybean products.
Vitamin D: Sunlight, and supplements. Vitamin D from diet alone is not enough for full human health, so we need to be exposed to sunlight.(3)

(1) also shows that even vegan diets are a safe and viable option for all age groups. It shows that vegetarian options would benefit us much more than an animal-based diet would; including a reduction in obesity, diabetes, heart attack, high cholesterol, stroke, and cancer.

So as I've just proven that a vegan (yeah even going that far!), and by default vegetarian diet is healthier than a meat diet; I'll address your next point.

We're not Neanderthals anymore, that phase has passed. Now we are humans, and we don't need hunting anymore. As humans we've evolved to farm meat for thousands of years, and only in the last few decades have we got to the point where vegetarianism is a realistic option for us. We have so much choice now with the way that food is produced, and we can therefore make the decision to omit the factory-farmed animal products, and after all the health etc. research that has been done to show the direction we need to be heading.
As intelligent and developed beings, humans now have the ability and conscience to do the right thing; so I believe this is it.

Yep here we go, the 'meat is delicious' argument. Saw that coming didn't I lol.

(1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
(2) http://www.carlagoldenwellness.com...
(3)(vivo.colostate.edu)
FanboyMctroll

Con

Without eating meat we would not be here today as humans. We would still be Neanderthals, the growth of our brains is why we are where we are today, this is by the consumption of protein. Our brains are the largest with the exception of whales, this is why we are on top of the food chain. Our ability to think, come up with solutions and invent things like guns that revolutionized the way we hunted. If it weren't for meat you would still be a gorilla in a tree.

It was about 2.6 million years ago that meat first became a significant part of the pre-human diet, and if Australopithecus had had a forehead to slap it would surely have done so. Being an herbivore was easy"fruits and vegetables don"t run away, after all. But they"re also not terribly calorie-dense. A better alternative were so-called underground storage organs (USOs)"root foods like beets and yams and potatoes. They pack a bigger nutritional wallop, but they"re not terribly tasty"at least not raw"and they"re very hard to chew. According to Harvard University evolutionary biologists Katherine Zink and Daniel Lieberman, the authors of the Nature paper, proto-humans eating enough root food to stay alive would have had to go through up to 15 million "chewing cycles" a year.

This is where meat stepped"and ran and scurried"in to save the day. Prey that has been killed and then prepared either by slicing, pounding or flaking provides a much more calorie-rich meal with much less chewing than root foods do, boosting nutrient levels overall. (Cooking, which would have made things easier still, did not come into vogue until 500,000 years ago.)

In order to determine how much effort primitive humans saved by eating a diet that included processed animal protein, doctors recruited 24 decidedly modern humans and fed them samples of three kinds of OSU"s (jewel yams, carrots and beets) and one kind of meat (goat, raw, but screened to ensure the absence of any pathogens). Using electromyography sensors, they then measured how much energy the muscles of the head and jaw had to exert to chew and swallow the samples either whole or prepared one of the three ancient ways.

On average, they found that it required from 39% to 46% less force to chew and swallow processed meat than processed root foods. Slicing worked best for meat, not only making it especially easy to chew, but also reducing the size of the individual particles in any swallow, making them more digestible. For OSUs, pounding was best"a delightful fact that one day would lead to the mashed potato. Doctors in the study concluded, a diet that was one-third animal protein and two-thirds OSUs would have saved early humans about two million chews per year"a 13% reduction"meaning a commensurate savings in time and calorie-burning effort just to get dinner down.

That mattered for reasons that went beyond just giving our ancient ancestors a few extra free hours in their days. A brain is a very nutritionally demanding organ, and if you want to grow a big one, eating at least some meat will provide you far more calories with far less effort than a meatless menu will. What"s more, while animal muscle eaten straight from the carcass requires a lot of ripping and tearing"which demands big, sharp teeth and a powerful bite"once we learned to process our meat, we could do away with some of that, developing smaller teeth and a less pronounced and muscular jaw. This, in turn, may have led to other changes in the skull and neck, favoring a larger brain, better thermoregulation and more advanced speech organs.

Your ancestors all ate meat and that is why you are here as a human being with an intelligent brain, otherwise you would still be a gorilla sitting in a tree eating leaves. So you can go ahead and keep eating vegetarian maybe if you and your future generations keep eating vegetarian you might even devolve into an ape eventually, but I will stay on top of the food chain as a meat eating highly intelligent, non anemic human.

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by FanboyMctroll 1 month ago
FanboyMctroll
And still the undisputed champion of debates give it up for Faaaaannnnnboy McTroll!!!!

Once again my opponent forfeits, after undeniable, evidence has been presented my opponent scurries away in shame.
Posted by heyitslay 1 month ago
heyitslay
While it is understandable that you would think that the same amount of land would be used for plant crops as for meat, that is not the case. Using beef as an example, 60% of the agricultural land around the world is used in the production of beef, which provides less than 2% of the world"s consumed calories. When it takes 10 kilograms of grain to produce 1 kilogram of beef, it is a very inefficient use of the land used to grow the grain for livestock and the livestock themselves. Even with vegetables being less calorie dense and more needing to be consumed, the amount of land needed would still be significantly less. Humans don't need 10times the number of vegetables as they would meat to get the same nutrients so less land would need to be cleared for crops for our growing global population. While I agree that the government should not dictate our diets, the way that nutrition is taught in schools needs to be seriously changed. (Feeding processed meat, a WHO known carcinogen, to children at school lunch is not okay) It is wise for people to research and learn about the ethical, environmental, and health benefits of a plant-based diet, and it should be included in health curriculum at schools.
Posted by Emilrose 1 month ago
Emilrose
Wow, I have so many debates to vote on in the next few days; assuming they are completed, that is.
Posted by Emilrose 1 month ago
Emilrose
Lol.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 1 month ago
FanboyMctroll
Truth-Over-Emotion your points are excellent. No government should impose what you eat on civilians. As an Anarchist I say, go ahead bureaucrat go ahead and make me eat your vegetables. But I hunt meat on my own hhuuuahhh!!!

The deforestation comment is excellent too, you still need fields to grow plants
Posted by toastyspaghetti 1 month ago
toastyspaghetti
I think of it in the way that humans are omnivores, so also predators. We eat animals like any other animal would. Cats torture their prey and they aren't being protested.
Posted by Truth-Over-Emotion 1 month ago
Truth-Over-Emotion
You're forgetting the most important aspect to this. Freedom of choice. Nobody should be forced to eat something by the government-it's not their right. Your argument is now invalid. May I also add in, that hunting is a key factor-the most important factor in wildlife management. Deforestation won't go down by much, because if you turn everyone vegetarian, farmers will still be needed to grow crops in mass production and deforestation of the Amazon forest has nothing to do with making fields to grow crops for the animals, that's crops for people (large scale agriculture).
Posted by FanboyMctroll 1 month ago
FanboyMctroll
Are you saying Neanderthals did not evolve into humans?

Darwin's evolution theory, ape to Neanderthal, to Cromagnon, to man
Posted by Masterful 1 month ago
Masterful
'without meat in our diet we would still be Neanderthals grazing for berries'

Humans were never Neanderthals.
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