The Instigator
brady1248
Pro (for)
Losing
14 Points
The Contender
crackofdawn_Jr
Con (against)
Winning
71 Points

Evolution Shouldn't Be Taught In School.

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crackofdawn_Jr
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/22/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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brady1248

Pro

I believe that evolution should not be taught in school.
crackofdawn_Jr

Con

Before I begin I would like to thank my opponent for starting this debate.

My opponent assers "I believe that evolution should not be taught in school."

I do believe that evolution should be taught in school as a theory. Since my opponent has not provided any points as to why evolution should not be taught in school, I will not post any points this round as to why it should be taught in school.

I assume that I don't have to prove my points, but that I simply have to disprove your points. If you have a problem with this statement, please specify so next round.

I await your contentions, good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
brady1248

Pro

Evolution is nothing but pure THEORY. Yet the Board of Education says that we must be taught it. Is evolution not Atheist? There is no class for Creationism. So if you teach Evolution at least teach Creationism along with it.
crackofdawn_Jr

Con

Thank you for posting your second round in a timely manner.

My opponent asserts that "Evolution is nothing but pure THEORY." A huge portion of Science is theory. Some examples inlcude:

1. The Atomic Theory
2. The Theory of Matter and Energy: Conservation of Matter and Energy
3. The Cell Theory
4. The Germ Theory
5. The Theory of Plate Tectonics
6. The Theory of Evolution
7. The Big Bang Theory
8. Chaos Theory
9. The "Gaia" Theory of a Sustainable Earth which is illustrated with the idea of Spaceship Earth
10. The Theory of Quantum Mechanics
11. The Theory of Special Relativity which subsumes The Theory of General Relativity which subsumes Newtonian theories of motion
12. The Photon Theory of Light Energy and its speed of light
13. The Theory of Electromagnetism as begun by Maxwell and continued with the work of others
14. The Theory of Radioactivity or Nuclear Theory
15. The Theory of Molecular Bonds
16. The Theory of States of Matter—or is this part of the Atomic Theory and the Molecular Bond Theory?
17. The Theory of Thermodynamics—hey, I guess this theory takes care of the States of Matter and the Molecular Bond theories.
18. The Theory of Homeostasis within Living Organisms
19. The Constructivist Theory of Learning
20. The theories of self and development of mental processes in the brain.
21. Theory of Gravity
22. Continental Drift Theory

Just because something is theory doesn't mean its wrong. Evolution is taught in school because it is the leading theory at the moment. However, you're correct, Creationism should be taught in school with Evolution.

The basis of your argument is that Evolution should not be taught in school. However, you now say, " So if you teach Evolution at least teach Creationism along with it."

Well, I agree. Both Evolution and Creationism should be taught in schools. You give me nothing to contend as we both agree that Evolution and Creationism should be taught in schools, which is totally against your side of this debate.
Debate Round No. 2
brady1248

Pro

My opponent says that I am going against my side the debate, because I say that "Evolution should be taught in school along with Creationism."
Although I am not saying that Evolution should be taught in school. What I am trying to get across to people is that Creationism is refused to be taught in the curriculum. Therefore Evolution should be taken out and no longer taught in school.
I thank my opponent for a interesting debate.
crackofdawn_Jr

Con

Thank you for a very interesting debate.

My opponent says, "Evolution should be taught in school...," but the topic that he is pro for is
"Evolution Shouldn't Be Taught In School."

Umm, do I need to say more. He has clearly gone against his original side of the debate and changed contentions mid round.

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Ok, but your side of the debate says that evolution should not be taught in school. Yet you say right here that as long as Creationism is taught with it you can teach evolution.

I agree that Creationism should be taught in school, as a theory. You have provided no evidence to say that evolution should not be taught in school besides saying it shouldn't because something else isn't. Well, this isn't really an argument.

You haven't explained why Evolution should not be taught in school as a theory so I have nothing to really refute.

Thanks again for the debate.

If anyone is interested on the two theories, here are some good websites to check out:

http://www.talkorigins.org...
http://www.allaboutscience.org...
http://www.allaboutcreation.org...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by CrusaderDebater 7 years ago
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I don't think that either side proved anything in that debate. But I'm givin it to PRO based on the fact that the only real argument was the PRO contradicting himself.

And I hate the "Theory of Evolution."
Posted by Lifeisgood 7 years ago
Lifeisgood
This debate is silly.
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
yeti, You are correct in point out the two meanings of "theory." A scientific theory is not an untested speculation. It's worth mentioning that scientists make no consistent distinction between a "theory" and a "law." Newton and thermodynamcs somehow rate as laws while Relativity and evolution are stuck as "theories." Newton's Laws have been shown to wrong around the edges, having been surpassed by Relativity, so we have the awkward terminology of a theory superceding a law. I think that Evolution and Relativity were named when they were somewhat uncertain, but they were never renamed when proven well as science is ever proven.

Back to debate fine points, Pro could have argued that the resolution had an implied [so long as Creationism is not taught.] Since Creationism is, as far as I know, not taught in public schools, I might have bought that. But he didn't make that argument. In general, resolution have to be short, so the full meaning may often have to be deduced from the arguments. Pro's failure to make an opening statement lost the implicit clarification. That's one reason to always make an opening statement.
Posted by thereal_yeti 7 years ago
thereal_yeti
Here is a better explination of what I was getting at:
Equivocation

Explanation:
This fallacy is perhaps the most simple and obvious of the fallacies of ambiguity. Here, a single term is used with two or more meanings in the same argument. The basic form of this fallacy is:

a. Premise: [statement(s) using term X in sense 1]
b. Premise: [statement using term X in sense 2] AND/OR Conclusion: [statement using term X in sense 2]

The term equivocation comes from the Latin terms equi (equal) and vox (voice) - and means "with equal voice". When a term is used univocally in an argument, it always has the same meaning, but when it is used equivocally, more than one meaning is given equal voice.

A common argument used by creationists also commits this fallacy:

5. Evolution is just a theory. Therefore, it shouldn't be taught in the public schools as fact.

The term theory has two meanings - a general meaning used in common vernacular and a technical meaning used in science. With the former, it means "an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture." Under this meaning, the above argument would be correct.

But biological evolution is a scientific theory, and thus science's usage of the term is more appropriate: "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."

Because the term theory is used in the first sense in the premise, but the second sense in the conclusion, the fallacy of equivocation is being committed here. This is similar to example #4 above, because we have a conflict between common usages of terms (law, theory) and technical or scientific uses of those same terms. This conflict is a common source of equivocation
Posted by thereal_yeti 7 years ago
thereal_yeti
Oh and with that said..

I find it quite pathetic that creationists cant even show that they understand what a "theory" means to the scientific community..

They act as thought science comes up with THEORIES than later proove them and they become FACT..

That is not how it works, they come up with a hypothesis, and they try to discredit it! And they peer review it, and eventually they come up with a THEORY..

A theory, is something that went through a lot of scrutiny. And to blow it off like theory is interchangable to a hunch, like it is in everyday langauge, is rather pathetic.

I would like to call it Equivocation fallacy, but maybe I am wrong.
Posted by thereal_yeti 7 years ago
thereal_yeti
THE PRO SIDE DIDN'T SHIFT... you took what they said out of context.

"Although I am not saying that Evolution should be taught in school"

Key "I AM NOT SAYING.."

Now, maybe I got suck into it, and you were trying to irk the hell out of pro... If that is the case, sorrry to ruin the fun :P
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
The position-shifting argument wins the debate for Con, but at the expense of avoiding the issue that Pro wanted to talk about. Evolution shold be taught in school as science, because evolution is the theory preferred by 99.86% of scientists, based upon the scientific evidence. Creationism can be taught in school in terms of explaining a religious belief, but it is not a scientific theory so it ought not be offered as if it were science.
Posted by crackofdawn_Jr 7 years ago
crackofdawn_Jr
""However, you're correct, Creationism should be taught in school with Evolution."

...and you lost me."

lol
Posted by stylezco 7 years ago
stylezco
Geez talk about changing your contention mid round.
Posted by Puck 7 years ago
Puck
"Evolution is nothing but pure THEORY"

Ahahaha hahaha hahaha haha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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