Evolution is more true than Creationism
Ok, I'll debate as i'm interested in what mechanic Pro has determining what is more true in the dichotomy he\she has proposed.
From what I know of "truth", theres only two sides of the coin, truth and false. It's either evolution and\or creationism is true, or it is false.
1. Fossil Record
The fossil record includes numerous fossils showing evolution. From tiktaalik to Australopithecus garhi, it is clear that evolution is a fact.
Pseudogenes are like normal DNA code except that they are deactivated from a mutation. It is much like a spelling error in a book or a misplaced island on a map. If two species have the same pseudogene, it is very strong evidence for common descent, one of the key factors for evolution.
Here is one more link that will basically sum up evolution's vast collection of evidence:
Well the evidence for creationism is pretty much common knowledge. One can look at the human body (e.g. the eyes, ears, etc) and be impressed by its amazing functional complexity. Something that is consistent with the idea of a designer.
"First of all, evolution is backed up by many discoveries and scientific papers. Here are two discoveries backing evolution:" –Pro
Just cause someone can find papers by scientist on say cold fusion or global warming, doesn’t make either two anymore true. But I’ll go ahead and refute the two discoveries you brought up.
1. Fossil Record
Comparing Apples with oranges
I have my doubts about the fossil record to proving evolution entirely. You’re basically comparing apples with oranges and saying they were plucked by the same tree. Just because some species share a likeness with each other, doesn’t mean they evolved from Darwin’s tree of life. Some computers share a likeness with each other, doesn’t mean they evolved naturally, even if you find a few in third world countries.
It was complex back in the day.
A problem with evolution, it’s basic prediction is that the species went from simple to complex. In reality this really isn’t so, for example Trilobites had apposition like eyes in the Cambrian. I kinda compare this to like saying the cavemen had an xbox 360 back in the day.
Even in the fossil record one can look and find nothing simple enough that shows any transitional forms from non-life to life. Even the Precambrian fossil are too complex.
Evolution doesn’t seem to happen presently
One cannot observe evolution taking place. Some people are like, “Dude, that’s because it takes millions of years for it to happen.” Well this might be true when talking about the human race, but not necessarily true with other organism. For example fruit flies reproduce like every 20 minutes, why don’t we see the big evolution that the Darwinist insist on that takes place?
It’s possible that there aren’t any “Pseudogenes”
I’m somewhat skeptic with the Pseudogene argument. Can one know for certain that there is any junk DNA when scientist today are uncovering the fact that some Pseudogenes they initially thought was useless is really functional? I’ll bring up the account of beta-globin.
Well, there is the "Who created God" argument, the "SO MANY GODS" argument, and so-on.
1. Fossil Record
Comparing Apples With Oranges
"Just because some species share a likeness with each other..."
The fossil record isn't only used to find species with similar characteristics. The fossil record also finds ancestors of species. It's like comparing a person to his sibling, and then finding the parent. Not apples to oranges.
It was complex back in the day
So what? Evolution is not concerned with complexity. Complexity is only a temporary by-product of evolution.
"I kinda compare this to like saying the cavemen had an xbox 360 back in the day."
If the cavemen had an Xbox360, how does it benefit their life? Evolution is only concerned with whether you live or not. If you live to reproduce, your "sub-species" lives on. If not, your "sub-species" dies out. If you have an Xbox360, it almost certainly doesn't change your evolutionary path. However, Xbox360's are by-products of (human) evolution. Same with complexity.
Evolution doesn't seem to happen presently
"One cannot observe evolution taking place."
Did you know that a couple hundred thousand years ago, all humans were lactose intolerant? And one mutation that allowed one person to consume lactose spread, and now 2/3 of the people in the world aren't lactose intolerant? This is evolution.
"For example fruit flies reproduce like every 20 minutes, why don"t we see the big evolution that the Darwinist insist on that takes place?"
There are some links that want to meet you, Con.
You can even press Z or R twice (do a barrel roll) for evolution!
It's possible that there aren't any "Pseudogenes"
"Can one know for certain that there is any junk DNA when scientist today are uncovering the fact that some Pseudogenes they initially thought was useless is really functional?"
If a pseudogene is found to be intended to do a task that we make up for, we can be almost completely certain that it's a psuedogene. Also, you might have not read the title: "Evolution is more true than Creationism". This doesn't mean that I am proving that Evolution is 100% true.
Here is are three questions that show that Creationism is probably not true:
1. Who created God?
2. What about the other gods?
3. Why doesn't prayer work?
What? if evolution is not 100% true, it’s not true at all. It’s either true or it’s not true.
Here's a quote from your Round 1 acceptance statement.
"From what I know of "truth", theres only two sides of the coin, truth and false."
1. There are not "two sides of the coin" when the coin was flipped in the distant past. You don't know for sure. But you can use evidence to find which way it landed.
"If I prove any of your points wrong..."
I would say that I was wrong if you did that! But, you haven't. I have disproved all of your points, and you didn't use your time in the end of Round 3 to provide rebuttals. Instead you are dancing around my comment, misinterpreting it to the highest degree.
I don't have to prove Evolution to be 100% true. I just have to prove it having a higher likelihood of being true.
Your turn Con.
I apoligize, but I'm to sick to debate this any further. If you wish to continue, we can do an extension of this debate in a few days when I feel better. I have to forfeit this round, i'm sorry.
DO NOT VOTE. DO NOT VOTE.
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