Evolution vs Creation
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1. Why are plants still around after a flood that covers the entire world. They would be killed
2. How could so many species fit on the ark, it's physically impossible.
3. Creationist say that only a few species were on the ark, but these species evolved into the ones we see today. That makes no sense, how can you possibly explain the biodiversity of the world with only 4000 years of evolution?
4.Let's take the example of the platypus. The Platypus is found only in Australia, though a larger form of platypus has been found in fossil form in south america. Assuming the ark lands in the mountains of Arrat in Turkey, per the bible, how and why did all the small platypuses travel all the way from turkey to australia. And why did the large platypuses go to south america, this is still assuming they could travel from turkey to America. Same goes with monkeys, new world monkeys are very different from old world monkeys. They couldn't have evolved in 4000 years
5. We can trace civilizations father back then 2000bc
6.Sediment layers provide a major problem for creationism. Why are no species from one layer in another layer. They all lived in the same time span right?
7. Vestigal organs are also problematic. Why do we have organs or bones we can't use. Why do WHALES have LEG bones. Because whales once had legs. Why would god give whales these leg bones?
8. Hominids like Neanderthals are to human to be ape but aren't quite human. They don't show up in Genesis.
third those creationists are not real creationists real creationists completely deny evolution the (evolution you are talking about) if these animals bred together it would be much shorter than "evolving".
fourth the platypus and monkey the kangaroo and the koala had a lot of predators. they would rather run then fight so as the water rises and lowers they find themselves stuck on Australia or wherever with no predators
fifth the bible agrees with that so I don't no why you brought that up
sixth the layers are scientifically wrong
also look at this picture of the geologic column
notice the stuff that can not so easily climb is at the bottom. then the decent climbers and so on and so forth. so what I am saying is as layers of mud come through other animals are buried also your wrong that no 2 animals are in the same column
so you are wrong on that
seventh there are no such thing as vestigial organs
and question #8 makes no sense
also the sloth is not lazy you should do your research and find they save their energy for emergency because of their predators and other things also they live in trees so they are already high up I do not know how well that argument was thought out
also the flood waters were not the fastest so the sloth would have plenty of time to climb so thus the sloth has an advantage also the waters were so rough that how could those fish survive if there is a huge major landslide would humans survive that even though we live on land. No of course not! even though we live on land we would die in such a big landslide.also fish are below the sea level sloths are above the sea level so how can you use that argument! and also the platypus' just traveled different ways is that to hard to believe? If you want to know my theory for any of you who are not familiar with this subject read genesis 1-8. I believe in the bible because it is true.
back to you pro
You claim genesis is your scientific account of creation. Genesis was never meant to be read like a science text book. Creationist say that everyone use to believe in Genesis until the evils of evolution came in and screwed up the world. Well in saying this creationist have pretty much made themselves the worst disgrace to Christianity since the Spanish Inquisition. Young earth creationism only really gained strength in the 20th century. Even the layer against evolution at the scopes trail, William Jennings Bryan, was an old earth creationist, not a young earth creationist. The jewish philosopher philo and the the christian saint Augustin said the creation account was merely allegorical.
also male nipples are useful but I will not get into it for the sake of viewers. also the coccyx has muscles attached around it without which we could not do a lot of valuable things. again for the sake of the viewers I will not get into it.
also tonsils are useful
so are wisdom teeth
same with body hair you can ask all the questions you want but I will make sure to answer them all. there is another reason why something you call useless is useful
also ear muscles help with your eardrum without them you could not hear. And just because monkeys or apes have 13 ribs and some humans do whatever how does that prove evolution?
also carbon dating is wrong there is another link.so there is a whole lot of your questions wrong. and according to the bible the earth may be up to 10,000 years old so how is the Chinese civilization thing wrong also the sloths may have been in redwood trees for all we know so if they were buried they would be at the top.well that is wrong also the bible says there were two of the kinds of the animals on the ark and ken ham said there was 2 of every kind on the ark if you are going to full-on attack creationists please get your facts straight for proof of what ken ham said watch is video seminars about the ark also notice in genesis it does not say species but KINDS so there would not be very many KINDS of animals on the ark 2 KINDS of dogs 2 KINDS of cats. so on and so forth. and also so what a couple of so-called-Christians say that creationism is false and the creationists did not exactly say "everyone used to believe in Genesis until the evils of evolution came in and screwed up the world." quote on quote minus spelling mistakes. and the Spanish Inquisition god does not order others to kill others because of racist attitudes so I wonder whether or not they were truly Christians. If you can find one bible verse hat says to kill others because of racist attitudes I would like to see it because I have read the whole book and I think I would ave noticed something. and if you want to go down the Christians are bad because here is a quote from a mass murderer on evolution
If a person doesn"t think there is a God to be accountable to, then"then what"s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That"s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing""
Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, Nov. 29, 1994
and from Hitler
so please do not go down that route because I have much more examples back to you pro
Regarding kinds. You continue to say that creationist don't believe in micro evolution. In his debate with Bill Nye, Ken Ham said, "All these birds had one common ancestor, but their was only one finch ancestor." He also said, "instead of a evolution tree we have a creationist garden branching from several kinds," and "all dogs had one canine ancestor," and he referred to evolution as "molecules-to-man evolution" to distinguish it against creationist micro evolution. So according to him, their were two monkeys making one monkey "kind." Through micro evolution these two monkeys became all the monkey species in only 4000 years. Even less then that because some monkeys had to cross land bridges to get to america. It's impossible for species to evolve that fast.
You continue to come up with barely feasible explanations for vesicle organs. Some of these have minor functions but that means they aren't preforming the original function. Like wisdom teeth might be slightly helpful but they don't even develop in some people and almost no food is eaten that far back in the mouth. For apes it's completly neccesary however. Just like body hair keeps your head a little warm, that's because body hair was not neccessary to survive and thus the trait wasn't passed down as much. If god wanted us warm he would have given us a full coat. By the way I didn't even much hair standing up but you talked about it. I was talking about hair in general and why it's only on our head. Our other hair can't warm us. As for why ribs is evidence for evolution it's because apes have 13 pairs but it wasn't helpful for humans so the gene was always passed down.It did get passed down by some people though so the gene still exist in humans, just not the majority of the population. If god intendid us to walk on two legs, he would have given us two toes like horses. Two toes gives the most stable support which is why horses have it. Five toes is very helpful for living in trees so that's why we have them.
On the fossil record, if it was by survival you would find that sick animals from a species are on lower levels and very strong ones on higher levels. You would see exceptions to the general trend. The fossil record shows ALL of one species on the same level. Creationist have cited mammals found with dinosaurs, but you will notice these mammals are only found on the dinosaur level. That was just when they lived. We also have many transitional fossils for horses and whales, as well as feathered reptilians with wings and and fish with legs. These show evolution in actions. The platypus is another example, early mammals laid eggs but the platypus is a evolutionary relic from when mammals where a offshoot of reptiles. As for genesis being allegorical, it says night and day and light and darkness where created before the sun and moon and stars. The ancients knew that the sun was a light source so they wouldn't create a myth like this to be taken literally because if you do so it makes no logical sense.
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