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TheProfessor88
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grandma-complex
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Explicit degrees in logic should be required for Psychotherapists

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Started: 5/7/2017 Category: Education
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TheProfessor88

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My position requires Psychotherapists to have explicit degrees in logic in order to work with patients. This must be the case because all too often Psychotherapists don't make progress with their clients due to lack of skill and the patient ends up continuing payments without success. Logic can decrease this trend by enabling therapists to critically evaluate not only their client's worldview but also Psychotherapeutic techniques marketed to the therapist.

The ability to discern whether a given training program is logically consistent and valid protects therapists from investing in scams and fraudulent change techniques. This protection extends to the client as only viable techniques will be considered by the therapist thus avoiding endless therapy.

Additionally, an explicit degree in logic will standardize a specific and essential aspect to thinking and can be required by employers. This decreases employers having to invest time and energy into having the HR rep trying to figure out what skills a person with a specific degree actually has. If logic is an explicit degree, employers can make more accurate and profitable business decisions to enhance performance.

Finally, there is a possibility that making a degree in logic explicit will encourage students to study critical thinking specifically instead of watered down trivia in their major courses. With a mastery in logic, all other fields open themselves up to the student and wisdom can be cultivated in a most advantageous way.

Thanks.
grandma-complex

Con

I'd like to thank my opponent for bringing up a topic I have never considered before. It will be an interesting debate.

1: Defining Psychotherapist

Pro uses the word "psychotherapist" many times, though this refers to a very broad spectrum of people, all with a very broad range of education. It includes counselors, or those who have either a doctoral or master's degree in counseling (school, mental health, child, etc). It also includes psychologists, or those typically with a doctoral degree in psychology. Additionally still it encompasses psychiatrists (medical doctors) and psychiatric nurse practitioners (who essentially have the same abilities but require a doctor's oversight) and social workers who hold bachelors, masters, and doctorals in social work. All of these professionals can also be called therapists as well.

My opponent alleges that psychotherapists don't make progress with clients because of a lack of skill. I would like a source for this. Pro also states that logic can reduce this "trend" by instating a degree in logic.

The statement that therapy does not work because of lack of skill is false. At least the vast, vast majority of the time, as I will not eliminate the possibility that there are not bad therapists out there.

To prove this, I will explain the training that therapists go through.

Counselors, or the people usually referred to as therapists: Requires a bachelor's degree (typically in social work or psychology). It also requires a master's in counseling, followed by a practicum and then an internship. Then one applies for licensure, takes an examination, and receives a license. Some go on to obtain a doctoral degree that has the same requirements as a master's. Time: 7 years.

Psychologists: Requires a bachelor's degree (usually in psychology). Most go on to obtain a PsyD or PhD in psychology, earning their master's in psychology, and must still complete a practicum and internship. Once completed, they apply for licensure and take an examination. Time: 8 years.

Psychiatrists: Requires a bachelor's degree (biology, chemistry, anything that helps with the MCAT), completion of medical school, and residency. Time: 11-16 years.

Social workers: Requires a bachelors degree (typically in social work). Most states also require a masters, others require additional doctoral training. Time: 4-7 years.

There are other factors of training outside time. There are many, many different types of therapy: human centered, cognitive behavioral, systems, etcetera. These theories revolve around views of personality, mental health and disorder, work, leisure, family - you name it. Different therapists practice, believe, and work with different theories. There is logic in each step a therapist takes, though their approaches may differ.

2: When Therapy Doesn't Work

Therapy does not always work. I will touch on four major reasons this may be.

1- The therapist and the client don't "click." I have experienced this before. Certain theories that may work for some clients may make others feel defensive. Sometimes rapport is not established. Sometimes the specialization of the therapist does not suit the needs of the client. This is neither party's fault.
2- The client does not hold up their end of the relationship. Therapy is not entirely about simply talking about your problems, even though talking is a large component. Therapists may issue "homework." For example, a client with social anxiety would be assigned homework of talking to five strangers before their next session. Some people believe that merely speaking with a therapist will improve your life, but it is very much a two way street. Not being open enough with a therapist, not actively trying to improve- this can all cause therapy to "fail."
3- The therapist does not hold up their end of the relationship. The therapist may allow his or herself to become enmeshed with the client, or to become friends with the client. The therapist might also be ill equipped to deal with a client, or simply no longer good at their job.

Pro claims that a degree in logic would prevent a therapist from using techniques that would not produce results. Again, each therapist operates with theories and precedent in mind. Unfortunately, as previously stated, the client and the therapist may not always click.

3: Why A Degree In Logic Is Unnecessary

A degree in logic would be excessive and unnecessary. As I have already explained, therapists go through extensive amounts of training in order to provide their services. One who has gone through post-graduate training is almost certainly able to apply logic, as they must study extensively to take a test to get into a post-graduate program - which is then followed by intensive studying. They must be able to read textbooks upon textbooks of theories and counseling techniques and turn them into twenty page essays. Some must devise an entire thesis paper and defend it to others who hold doctorates in their field.

I don't believe that a college degree in "logic" would correct any of the perceived problems that Pro has brought up.

Additionally, Pro mentions that having training in logic would protect them from fraudulent training techniques, though this is already unnecessary. The American Psychological Association already evaluates university programs and accredits those who meet its criteria and are not "scams," much like Board of Nursing evaluates and accredits nursing programs and accredits those who are also not "scams."

Pro's final two paragraphs I unfortunately do not believe are relevant to this debate, as the topic is limited to the scope of psychotherapists. Pro is free to correct me if this is not a correct assumption, and I thank them again for such an interesting debate topic.
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