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theeternalrival
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Extrajudicial killings against criminals in Davao City should be approved or condemned?

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alfred311
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/29/2014 Category: Places-Travel
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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theeternalrival

Con

As Davao City is to be considered as one of the safest places in the Philippines, and the world; we must not forget about the methods on how criminals there are being swatted like insects by policemen, and a vigilante group called the "Davao Death Squad". According to Davao City mayor Rodrigo Duterte in an interview, "If you are doing an illegal activity in my city, if you are a criminal or part of a syndicate that preys on the innocent people of the city, for as long as I am the mayor, you are a legitimate target of assassination." Even minors, especially when they are roaming in the streets, are not safe when some men in black riding in motorcycles will try to shoot them point blank.

On the bright side, despite the criticism from the Commission of Human Rights, Davao City's crime rate dropped drastically to the point local tourism organizations gave credit to the city as one of the safest and most peaceful cities in Southeast Asia. It becomes very advantageous, especially when you are under captive of a criminal syndicate from a distant place from Davao (i.e., such as in Quezon City), you could easily trick your captors into withdrawing the money randsom in a bank there, only for them to get a taste of their own medicine! That's why Mayor Rody Duterte also insinuated that criminals can't leave Davao City alive.

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alfred311

Pro

I accept the challenge, I believe it should be condemned, in a democratic country, due process of law should be observed at all times. Only the convicted should be punished and this acts will just lead to abuses just like the nazi and marcos who sugar coat their agenda by pretending they are doing it for order yet commited more crimes in the end
Debate Round No. 1
theeternalrival

Con

Your statement does have a point. However, due process of law in the local government in Davao City has observed frequently. The Dutertes are apart from that of Marcos' political ideals, citizens in Davao defined Mayor Rodrigo Duterte as the city's disciplinarian, and the citizens of Davao applauded this form of criminal punishment; regardless of the criticisms of the Commission of Human Rights. Policemen arrest suspects when caught; if resisting arrest, they have no other choice but to use force.
alfred311

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
theeternalrival

Con

theeternalrival forfeited this round.
alfred311

Pro

"we must not forget about the methods on how criminals there are being swatted like insects by policemen, and a vigilante group called the "Davao Death Squad""

You just mentioned that there is a group called Davao Death Squad in the province, how is it become due process of law when they are the one who judged and sentenced the person accused of a crime

"According to Davao City mayor Rodrigo Duterte in an interview, "If you are doing an illegal activity in my city, if you are a criminal or part of a syndicate that preys on the innocent people of the city, for as long as I am the mayor, you are a legitimate target of assassination."

There are limits to freedom of speech, one of which is threatening someone. This alone constitute a crime. If you suspect of someone of doing a crime, you tell them that the full extent of law will catch on them and will not put the law on you hand

"Even minors, especially when they are roaming in the streets, are not safe when some men in black riding in motorcycles will try to shoot them point blank."

shooting someone point blank is due process of law?

For my full argument.

First of all only petty crimes are reported killed by the vigilante group in Davao. On the other hand, Davao is a safe haven for big time criminals. Ever heard of a congressman or a senator accused of plundering shot dead in Davao, of course not because due process of law applies to them. But for small time drug pushers, thieves and pickpockets are shot down immediately. One most glaring example is the safe passage of Ampatuans living in Davao. Many people are aware of their horrendous acts, and yet the Duterte didnt touch them, Another example is the case of a big time rice smuggler operating in Davao. Mayor Duterte said that he will kill the guy and yet the smuggler reigns for so many years without fear from the mayors death squad. why? Because that is how vigilante justice works, one sided.

Fear is used by hitler and marcos in the name of safety and security, what happen next is history. You can study other countries that use high crime rates to push for their personal agenda. Next is taking over the economy for the benefits of the poor and the list of crimes go on. Study all the country with a dictator leader or authoritarian form of government, they all have the same common denominator.

Lastly let me share a quote from Benjamin Franklin for others to reflect on:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
Debate Round No. 3
theeternalrival

Con

theeternalrival forfeited this round.
alfred311

Pro

alfred311 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
theeternalrival

Con

"Fear is used by hitler and marcos in the name of safety and security, what happen next is history. You can study other countries that use high crime rates to push for their personal agenda. Next is taking over the economy for the benefits of the poor and the list of crimes go on. Study all the country with a dictator leader or authoritarian form of government, they all have the same common denominator."

Of course this involves usage of fear. In the case of mayor Duterte, this is more a Castro-like ideal. Nowadays, many davaoenos seem to praise his actions, despite the latter being aware of possible consequence of continuous extrajudicial killings in Davao.

Come to think of it, this is just like in the concept of revenge... according to a maxim "Revenge is a dish best served cold." Because, outlaws cannot escape if they terrorize Davao City, and so, they will find themselves at the mercy of the authorities or even the DDS - something that criminals in and outside Davao city could not afford to expect. So, they (the policemen of Davao, DDS, or even Mayor Duterte himself) plan to take justice to their own hands without relying on due process of law, and anticipate so they can inflict pain on those who prey on the innocent. Ultimately for them, they have planned this precisely so they want criminals to suffer terribly, and Mayor Duterte is not being harmed by the government.
alfred311

Pro

I rest my case, you believe fear is the solution for a disciplined society rather than serving justice to everyone. No country or any province achieved security by taking the law in their own hands. The Arab spring is a cry for all people who suffered long enough from their government using fear as a form of security

Imagine someone kicking your door without warrant of arrest or search warrant and will accused you of a crime you didn't commit. I just hope you experience the martial law and the time where Ferdinand Marcos use fear as a blanket for solving crime, and in the end many innocent people are killed and the economy suffer.

You are the type of person that will exchange liberty for temporary security, you didn't know that the root of crimes are mostly poverty, hence the only solution for these are improving the economy. Go to some exclusive subdivision vs squatters area, ever wonder why there are few crime from the former than the latter? You don't need to use fear to lessen crime. Just look at the top ten country with lowest crime rate. Most of them have a strong economy, Japan, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, Singapore, Luxembourg, etc. If you still haven't see the correlation then I cannot do anything anymore to broaden your knowledge.

To conclude, killing someone without due process of law is the worst crime against humanity. Anyone who gives consent to such are bound to be a victim themselves.
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: Interesting topic. I think Con would have done better to pick a side more definitely from the start. As it was, Pro provided more compelling arguments, most of which had already been provided by Con in Round 1. Conduct for Pro making comments about the type of person Con is in the final round.