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Autistickyuubi
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ZakYoungTheLibertarian
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FEMA coffins and trains.

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Started: 2/10/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Autistickyuubi

Con

Many conspiracy theorists who believe in the NWO/Illuminati/Police
State type conspiracies believe that the government is stock-piling
plastic burial vaults in order to place large amounts of bodies in
what is suppose to be the mass killing of millions of citizens via
biological weapons, or some other more violent means.

I would like to challenge anyone willing to debate me on this subject. I do not beleive the government will kill us.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Pro

The state, unlike other organizations in society, obtains revenue through coercion. It threatens people with violence in order to get revenue from them. This is immoral. It is wrong to threaten people with violence to get their money. The state does this not once in a while, but constantly. It's blatant disregard for morality in this area implies a blatant disregard for morality in other areas.

There have been countless examples in the 20th century of governments murdering massive amounts of their own people. One has to look only at Nazi Germany, at Russia under the Soviet Union, at the Khmer Rouge's barbaric drive to the country side, at the civil war in the Congo in the 90's or at Maoist china to see examples where the governments of one's own country murdered millions of their own people. It is clear then that historically governments have murdered millions of their own people. So why then could this not happen in America?

Just recently, Barack Obama has declared the authority to execute American citizens without a trial. This sort of dictatorial power states outright that the government of the United States of America can, and will, and is currently murdering it's own citizens via unmanned predator drones. If Barack Obama is willing to do this publicy, what then is he doing secretly?

The government is evil. It uses violence and the threat of violence to get it's way - just like a serial killer. In the two decade, the American government has murdered over a million Iraqis. If they will murder a million innocent Iraqis, who is to say they won't murder a million innocent Americans?

The state is evil. It uses violence, it initiates aggression constantly against innocent people. It is reasonable to conclude there is a good chance that the American government will murder millions of it's own citizens.
Debate Round No. 1
Autistickyuubi

Con

The examples shown about the 20th century dictators killing millions of their own people is an appeal to history, There are two types of appeal to history. The first is committed by arguments that use past cases as a guide to the future. This is the predictive appeal to history fallacy. Just because something has been the case to date, doesn"t mean that it will continue to be the case. This is not to say that we can"t use the past as a guide to the future, merely that predictions of the future based on the past need to be treated with caution. Also, Obama's authority only allows american citizens outside of the state to be executed without trial, so US citizens inside the united states are not affected and still require a trial before execution. Secondly, this only applies to citizens accused, with evidence, of supporting terrorist organizations such as Al Quaeda and the taliban, so unless you are supporting a terrorist organization, you have nothing to fear. And the first, third, and last statements are claims at best, evidence needs to be cited.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Pro

It's easy to say that only the guilty will be executed, but without a trial, there is simply no guarantee this is the case. Take for example, the case of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki a 15 year old boy. Was he a terrorist? Yet he was slaughtered by Obama two weeks after his father. How about the hundreds of innocent men, women and children who have been slaughtered by drone attacks - people who have never been accused of any terrorist activities. Collateral damage, they are called - if the state can have this callous disregard for the life of an innocent, why would they hold your life to be any more sacred?

Of course it is POSSIBLE that all of a sudden governments will stop killing their own citizens but it's not very likely. These organizations are evil. They use violence and coercion to get what they want. Not sometimes. All the time. That's how they operate. Through the initiation of violence. This is psychopathic behaviour and it is only reasonable to conclude that if they will use violence to rob you or extort you, then they will not balk at killing you if it fits their agenda. Just as governments around the world today presently killing innocent people all of the time.

The government already asserts the right to kill you if you do not give them your money. If you do not pay taxes, eventually men with guns (police) will come to arrest you. If you defend yourself against this aggression - if you utilize the right to self defense, as every individual is entitled to when they are attacked without cause - these men will kill you. Thus the state ASSERTS the right to murder you in order to steal your money. If they assert this right for a cause as specious as taking your money what is to stop them from murdering you for any other not worthwhile cause?

Historically the American government HAS murdered millions of people without cause, even within their own borders. Have you ever heard of the American Indian? They did nothing but live on land and they were eradicated. Genocided. The American government has also interned over a hundred thousand America citizens in concentration camps. These were the Japanese during WWII. My opponent wants you to think it is absurd that there would ever be concentration camps on American soil - yet they existed just one generation ago!

What about COINTELPRO? Here American citizens were murdered for their political beliefs. Today American citizens are incarcerated for practicing free speech - Bradley Manning for example.

The American government has murdered millions of people. It could easily be you next.
Debate Round No. 2
Autistickyuubi

Con

Autistickyuubi forfeited this round.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Pro

my opponent forefeits gimme da pointz
Debate Round No. 3
Autistickyuubi

Con

The whole time the arguer has missed the forest and hit the trees instead. My debate did not ask wether the government is going to kill us all or not, it was about the existence of FEMA coffins and FEMA trains. While he did make some valid points, they had nothing to do with the subject. so I would like to ask him to provide proof of these coffins and trains.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Pro

too late u already gave up brah, none the less I am substantiating the claims that the government is trying to kill us, by pointing out that the government murders people constantly, and has established concentration camps in the past. if we are to examine whether or not concentration camps exist in the present, or if there are plots to establish them, certainly it is reasonable to argue the past behaviour of this organization is predictive of future behaviour.

too bad, so sad, you didn't bother to show up, i win.
Debate Round No. 4
Autistickyuubi

Con

Okay..... I declare you the winner. Now have a cookie.
ZakYoungTheLibertarian

Pro

i am the best type of correct - technically correct
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Autistickyuubi 4 years ago
Autistickyuubi
I forfeit... need practice
Posted by Autistickyuubi 4 years ago
Autistickyuubi
No no no. please, I want to debate
Posted by ZakYoungTheLibertarian 4 years ago
ZakYoungTheLibertarian
we can cancel the debate and let u two argue if that's both of u guys want i don't mind
Posted by Beginner 4 years ago
Beginner
Darnit I was going to accept this debate.. :(
Posted by Autistickyuubi 4 years ago
Autistickyuubi
This is a debate where I am against FEMA coffins, not for.
Posted by ZakYoungTheLibertarian 4 years ago
ZakYoungTheLibertarian
It's not really clear - you think the government is not trying to kill us, yes?
Posted by ProNoob 4 years ago
ProNoob
This is hardly a debate.

Rather a battle of fantasy versus logic.
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