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kenito001
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EricW1001
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FOX News is the most biased news channel on television

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Started: 1/4/2008 Category: News
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kenito001

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FOX news has manipulated its stories, feigned its viewers, and defined the way that America breeds ignorance. FOX news has made itself the mainstream cause of the right wing's specious assumptions and "perpetual correctness", making it a carnal sin to question the validity of statements and arguments.

Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp has deliberately manipulated and fueled conservatism in the worst ways possible.
EricW1001

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You did not provide one shred of evidence of anything you stated.

1) Fox News has manipulated its' stories.

Please... if that were common knowledge do you think anyone would watch? You've got to give the American people more credit than that. Perhaps Murdoch's subliminal messages keep the zombies watching! Also for a statement saying things like that you should look into a newspaper called The Treason Times.. whoops I meant The New York Times. (And if you ask for examples in Round 2 as I have asked for examples here I will be happy to bring tons of examples)

2) Feigned its' viewers. - Examples?

If that were true then there wouldn't be any advertising to support the channel would there? Advertisers won't pay money to advertise to nobody. It would cease to exist due to lack of funds...so apparantly someone is watching.

3) Defined the way America breeds ignorance.

This must be a joke... You know what? I bet you watch the Real World all day on MTV, and you want to talk about ignorance?

There is no doubt that Fox News is a more conservative news outlet, however maybe if you ever watched you would see that they do indeed bring two sides to the argument everytime. The amount of Democratic Analysts and Contributors that are on Fox is quite impressive. You should watch sometime.

Also, it's a counterweight to every other channel and their more liberal news reporting! I have no problem with CNN, NBC or ABC. Can't say I watch the last two much, but I enjoy and respect CNN and just because I don't agree with everything they say I wouldn't go on starting an argument and just blathering that CNN is telling me lies and purposely corrupting viewers.

This is journalism! A "carnal" sin, as you say to ask questions? What is journalism but a series of questions to find the truth? To say that Fox News will disregards questions about its reporting is comical as it is so inherent to journalism itself.

There is no manipulation of conservatism here! More like an empowerment that didn't exist before and you can't stand it!

Don't listen to your high school teachers or college professor's so much (you want to talk about bias?)! Inform yourself!!!
Debate Round No. 1
kenito001

Pro

"Please... if that were common knowledge do you think anyone would watch?…"
It's because neo-conservative America thinks like FOX News tells its stories. Solarman1969 is a great example. Just because one says that something is evil does not make it evil. Their opinion should not be automatically justified.
Example of manipulated story:
Fox News claims that the California fires were started by al-Qaeda.

The NYT is not a news channel on television. This debate is about comparing the bias of news channels. Regardless of how biased the NYT is, their articles are printed on newspapers, not read by news commentators... People watch what they like to hear. Hard nosed conservative Americans like to hear that President Bush's terms in office are a success, that his policies in Iraq are effective, and that his associates are just as righteous. I am not saying that any of these statements are always incorrect, so starting the liberal attacks is unnecessary. Conservatives enjoy the bias just as liberals enjoy the bias of Keith Olbermann. This debate's purpose is to prove that FOX News' bias exceeds the bias of any other individual news channel.

Former FOX News employees have come out following their careers with FOX confirming their disregard with the network. Many have noted that FOX uses "buzz words" during its broadcasts, or words that are restricted or encouraged during broadcasts to give more of a positive or negative perception to that story. These are circulated daily to its workers as memos straight from the Vice President of News John Moody.

FOX News is often inconsistent with its opinions, depending on the light of the story. A George W Bush impersonator was applauded by the network in 2004 for his "lighthearted, charismatic impersonations of the President". However, when the impersonator appeared in a negative light a year later, he was criticized by FOX, and they judged it by saying "impersonations were inappropriate".

"Feigned its' viewers - Examples?

If that were...so apparantly someone is watching."
Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed US soldiers committed genocide in World War II... twice.
Brit Humes distorted FDR's views on Social Security to support Bush's privatization plan.
Brit Hume compared California and Iraq geographically to make the death rate of American soldiers in Iraq seem lessened, while his rates did not consider population. Hume essentially claimed that 400 Californians are murdered daily.
FOX consistently refers to Alan Colmes as a "hard-hitting liberal" to counter Sean Hannity's staunch conservatism on Hannity & Colmes, while Colmes refers to himself as "quite moderate".
On January 3 2008 FOX News pulled a story about Iran no longer training insurgents in Iraq, beginning 3 months before the October 2006 surge, without issuing any form of a retraction, merely making the story disappear and replacing it with a report about General Petreas.
Sean Hannity in an interview with Pat Robertson criticized those attacking Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee's faiths, without acknowledging his own often critism of Obama's faith.
FOX financial pundit Charles Payne compared Barack Obama's views to Hugo Chavez's socialism.
Neil Cavuto made the "feature" story of the early days of 2008, the economic falters of Wall Street, a story on the backburner. He briefly covered it, then promised "much more on this in a minute", from whence the story was not mentioned again.
http://www.youtube.com......
These are just a list of some examples that you ask, but let's take a look at what these media studies say about the bias in the news stations, and it's affect on people. (In correlation with their beliefs.)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org...
www.econ.duke.edu/~staff/wrkshop_papers/2004_Fall/Della.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk...

All of the featured reporters on FOX News: Cavuto, O'Reilly, Hannity, Hume, and others, encourage conservatism over the "evil, mental disorder known as liberalism".
At least CNN, on the other hand, has Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck to counter Wolf Blitzer.

"This must be a joke... You know what? I bet you watch the Real World all day on MTV, and you want to talk about ignorance?"
You should never assume. Although I prefer not to divulge much personal information about myself on this website, I am a former four-year High School debater, and the only channels on television I prefer are ESPN and MSNBC, and of course the Simpsons. (Occasionally watching CNN or Fox News) I'd go so far as to consider myself even more articulate and well-read than you comprehend. Do not assume that liberalism is ignorance. But yes, I want to talk about ignorance, something I pride myself in being devoid of. How about yourself?

"There is no doubt that Fox News is a more conservative news outlet, maybe if you ever watched... The amount of Democratic Analysts and Contributors that are on Fox is quite impressive. You should watch sometime."
I often watch Fox News, when I am in the mood for over-the-top comedy. The two sides are brought to the table, but the Republican side is concluded and supported. Having the threat level featured in the bottom line... Sheer brilliance.

"Also, it's a counterweight to every other channel and their more liberal news reporting! I have no problem with CNN, NBC or ABC. Can't say I watch the last two much, but I enjoy and respect CNN and just because I don't agree with everything they say I wouldn't go on starting an argument and just blathering that CNN is telling me lies and purposely corrupting viewers."
Here you state that it's a counterweight to liberal news reporting. For it to be a counterweight, let's assume that CNN, NBC, and ABC are each "1 unit of liberalism".
In order to successfully counterweight them, as you assert, FOX News must account for "3 units of conservatism", making them as biased as the other three combined, and clearly, the most biased channel on television.

"This is journalism! A "carnal" sin, as you say to ask questions?... it is so inherent to journalism itself."
FOX News commentators make it a point to question the patriotism and devotion of their guests if they are to disagree with their assertions. For them to be correct, then neo-conservatism must be the solution to America. FOX News defends its reporting as "giving the American people what they want to hear", which is really "giving Conservatives what they want to hear".

"There is no manipulation of conservatism here! …"
This assertion is similarly flawed to the debating styles of many individuals on this site. Just because one says something is correct doesn't make it correct. Empowerment is about disproving the opponent through logical reasoning and stronger facts and statistics. If the statistics are less reliable or curbed to fit a specific opinion, then they are not the truth. I can't stand it because arguing with devoted FOX News viewers is eerily similar between each one. They begin by telling you that you are wrong, attempting to educate you without any justification, and then ending with a strong rant with similar statements to "You are (unamerican/unpatriotic/immoral)".

FOX News perpetuates its bias because it attempts to eliminate the larger gray between the black and white of an issue. The "you're either with us or against us" mentality is tearing the inner fabric of America apart more than the "evil liberals" ever could.
EricW1001

Con

I'm currently arguing you in two seperate debates. I'll start off both of my round 2's with this statement:

Very weak and vague opening arguments and then very articulate and comprehensive responses to my opening argument. Almost too good. Almost to the point where I think two different people wrote them. However, I can't prove that and it's just an idea.

If you want to get technical about this, I don't believe that you can ever prove that Fox News is more biased than any other news channel. Do you have a meter that reads bias? Could you ever compile every story that every news channel creates and discern which is more biased than the other? Wouldn't you be biased in your findings?

Also, did you see Dennis Kucinich on Hannity & Colmes the other day? He thanked Fox News for allowing him to appear on national television as the other stations had not given him an opporunity to do so! People from every part of the political spectrum express their views on Fox and just because the anchor interviewing may agree or disagree with the interviewee doesn't make the channel biased.

1) "Fox News claims that the California fires were started by al-Qaeda."

Everyone, this was a legitimate concern at the time. Here is a link to the reporting and you can decide for yourself (Note the question mark after "Arson and Al-Qaeda: Terrorists plotting fires?"). This link even comes from a completely biased website, but I still think it proves my point! http://www.infowars.com...
You guys are just clawing for anything you can aren't you? It wasn't as if after the true story had been reported that Fox News continued to state with 100% confidence that no, it wasn't a 15 year old child, it wa Al-Qaeda.

2) "Former FOX News employees have come out following their careers with FOX confirming their disregard with the network. Many have noted that FOX uses "buzz words" during its broadcasts, or words that are restricted or encouraged during broadcasts to give more of a positive or negative perception to that story. These are circulated daily to its workers as memos straight from the Vice President of News John Moody."

Former Fox News employees who left on bad terms? I supposed they may have some disregard for the network. "Buzz words" are common place, how do you think you get the average channel surfer to stop on your news channel when you're competing with 4 others?

3) "Here you state that it's a counterweight to liberal news reporting. For it to be a counterweight, let's assume that CNN, NBC, and ABC are each "1 unit of liberalism". In order to successfully counterweight them, as you assert, FOX News must account for "3 units of conservatism", making them as biased as the other three combined, and clearly, the most biased channel on television."

You said it yourself. Never assume. That whole argument by the way is ridiculous and I will disregard it as all of those reading should.

4) "There is no manipulation of conservatism here! …"
This assertion is similarly flawed to the debating styles of many individuals on this site. Just because one says something is correct doesn't make it correct. Empowerment is about disproving the opponent through logical reasoning and stronger facts and statistics. If the statistics are less reliable or curbed to fit a specific opinion, then they are not the truth. I can't stand it because arguing with devoted FOX News viewers is eerily similar between each one. They begin by telling you that you are wrong, attempting to educate you without any justification, and then ending with a strong rant with similar statements to "You are (unamerican/unpatriotic/immoral)".

Off topic. But nevertheless important. Personally, I have never stated that anyone is unamerican/unpatriotic/ or immoral. However, I have heard that complaint before. But you know what I hear when I talk to a liberal? That I'm close-minded. Why won't I open my mind? Why won't I open my eyes?
Are you not as equally "close-minded"? In order for two people to disagree and continue to disagree they must be "closed" to the other persons ideas or arguments. Just because you support gay marriage, doesn't mean you are enlightened or more open-minded than me. Perhaps I'm more open-minded than you because I support the war. Why can't you just open your mind and support it?
Now do you see how absurd that "close-minded" argument is?

Listen, I could go through and list 500 things I don't like on CNN and maybe I will in Round 3. But you can't prove that Fox News is more biased especially by trying to use those "units of liberalism/conservatism" that worked so well for you. How ridiculous.
Debate Round No. 2
kenito001

Pro

kenito001 forfeited this round.
EricW1001

Con

EricW1001 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by griffinisright 5 years ago
griffinisright
This was a close debate but I think Con has the upper hand! Both of you need to make sure you finish all of your debates though!
Posted by shwayze 5 years ago
shwayze
how can you say fox news is that biased? Of course there is bias in every network, but saying that Fox News is the most biased compared to CNN and especially MSNBC is a joke. Look at Hannity and Colmes for example, a show with a republican and a democrat at the same time! Mind-blowing, I know.
Posted by VoterBot 5 years ago
VoterBot
Air America is far too liberal. However, their shorter span of airtime isn't even comparable to the 24 hours/day FOX News.
Posted by EricW1001 5 years ago
EricW1001
MSNBC has Air America on there.... is that a joke?
Posted by shwayze 5 years ago
shwayze
there's no way you can possibly say that MSLSD, i mean MSNBC, is less biased than Fox. Watch one day of MSNBC and you will be shocked. And if you watched MSLSD with the other 15 people in the United States, you would realize how extremely biased they are. Perfect example is of the Lawrence O'Donnell show he has. He's had around 60 people on his show and 58 of them were democrats, most of them far-left. I have actual data to back this up if you want a link.
Posted by kenito001 5 years ago
kenito001
Sorry for missing the deadline to post my arguments, I have been too busy to post them.

1)FOX had insufficient evidence to realistically prove or even assume that Al-Qaeda was responsible for the California fires. Sure, their assertions were possible, but so are the assertions that a bear smoking a cigarette caused the fire.

2) Regardless of what terms they left on, their testimony, arguments, and evidence were valid.

3)My argument of "units of liberalism/conservatism" was meant as an over-the-top argument to mock your loose comparison between FOX News and ABC/CBS/etc.

4) I was trying to prevent a solarman-esque argument round where time is wasted and nothing is accomplished. To be "closed minded" only applies to an argument where each side believes in what they are saying. In this debate, I do not necessarily agree with or support the things I say. In a debate, each person must take a side and use arguments, facts, and analysis to defend his or her side to defeat one's opponent. Had this been a persuasive conversation, then yes, open-mindedness and closed-mindedness applies. However, this is just a debate. While most debaters on this site only argue for sides that they support or personally agree with, I am not one of those individuals.

If the title holds as a voting issue for this debate, then while I can not certainly prove that FOX news is the most biased news channel on television, you have not proven that it isn't. Your arguments and claims have been aimed as refutations in defense of FOX without establishing the bias of another or another series of networks. You need not list 500 examples of CNN's bias, however, yes, you have failed to establish the bias of another network, especially noting my defense of CNN in comparison to FOX News regarding their equality of liberal (Blitzer, Cafferty) and conservative (Dobbs, Beck) employees.
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