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Facism can be more effective than Democracy

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/7/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Reformist

Pro

Hello all I'm starting another debate

I believe Facism can be more effective than Democracy

Facism: an authoritarian and nationalistic system of government and social organization

Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

BOP is on me but if Con cannot successfully rebut all my points I win the debate.

Happy to debate
ZealousLiberal

Con

Facism is bad for the country and is terrible for the people

Also i see that you are a liberal but facism is a right wing idealogy

So i dont understand your standing?
Debate Round No. 1
Reformist

Pro

Well im a mix if you look at my profile at my political compass you can see I am liberal but a bit more on the authoritarian side of things. Anyway onto the debate.

This, again, isn't a debate about whether Fascism is right or not. Its about its effectiveness.

Fascism can be found throughout history. Its most notable presence in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

Fascism in many cases can be more effective than democracies in numerous reasons:

Time:
In democracies there are so many intracies that you need to go through to get a bill passed. Lets for example talk about a military budget. If a military budget isn't decided by the democratic government then troops overseas wont get paid until the budget is passed. Most times bills that could benefit us just don't get debated because committees think they aren't worth debating.

No useless things:

In our current style of government many bills will only be passed if added benefits can be added onto that bill. On the presidential level many bills contain pork barrel projects or added things. Lets just say that a bill goes to give body armor to troops. Well Louisiana passes the bill but adds in some extra funding for their schools and maybe New Hampshire gets funding for drug studies. When the bill reaches the president he cant just veto a line out he either signs it or he doesn't.

It is economically effective as well:

If you remember Nazi Germany and Italy had great economies. Unemployment was cut down to almost zero and the money in the countries were doing great. The only thing that led to the downfall of these nations were the combined forces of the Allied Nations and that brings me to my next section.

Facism is a Survival of the Fittest:

The weak governments that cant war and fight are wiped out leaving only the strongest nations together.

To you Con
ZealousLiberal

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
ZealousLiberal

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Reformist

Pro

My opponent has FF'd all the debate rounds

Vote for Reformist!
ZealousLiberal

Con

ZealousLiberal forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Yes. Eveyrbody will crave facism...If you can not be you...Everybody will crave democracy if you can be you..Democracy is an "unnatural thing" that can only exist in short moments..that is life..
Posted by Reformist 1 year ago
Reformist
Of course absolute fascism is bad

But in everyones life people will crave fascism.

Not saying its GOOD. But sometimes things get bogged down in this democracy thing
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Destructive/constructive.. Is relevant/irrelevant. Or simply relatives to "something"... There is you. (no relative)...And there are the relatives...Any one will probably chose the relatives that fit "you".
Posted by bballcrook21 1 year ago
bballcrook21
Fascism is a destructive ideal. It takes away all ideas of freedom and gives direct authority to the ruler of the nation. People in Germany were executed based on suspicion; there were no trials or due process.

I can't believe that little children would buy into this fascist crap. Then again, he can't even spell it right.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
But. Yes i am a cultural facist, (no rape alowed). Facism is a way to keep "another" facism away. So you /i can maintain democracy.. See what happened in Germany new years.. Rape by muslims/facist..
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Rape is effective if you want sex...
Posted by bballcrook21 1 year ago
bballcrook21
No, you did not mean Germany. You are just backpedaling. You stated Russia, and you stated Stalin as well.

As for Germany, it's the same paradigm, except they fell even quicker. The only reason why there wasn't too much dissent was because they were in a war, and they were convinced by Hitler that the Jews/degenerates were to blame for Germany's issues.

If Germany had continued with fascism, the economy would have collapsed, and that would have lead to riots and an eventual overthrowing of the fascist government. Regardless, they massacred 11 million of their own people, and had enough backing and a military to do away with the remainder of their population.
Posted by Reformist 1 year ago
Reformist
Ah yes sorry

Meant to say Germany

Russia starved their citizens to death

Thank you for correcting me

You don't necessarily need the military to do the dirty work then. You can always use a police force like the SS and the Gestapo
Posted by bballcrook21 1 year ago
bballcrook21
Doesn't matter if the arguments are evil or not. If you believe in evil arguments, then that may be an issue, but they are still argument nonetheless. Morality doesn't play into the plausibility of certain arguments.

As for Russia, they never ordered the military to mass murder. Firstly, most of the soldiers were killed in World War II, and all of the mass murders that took place occurred out of famine, which wasn't direct murder. Most of the deaths, in fact, were out of famines that were started because of food shortages when the government confiscated grain and other goods. Many were sent to Gulags, which were labor camps, but this was done using the secret police, not the military.

Also, the Soviet Union did fall eventually because of these issues of corruption and economic instability, etc.
Posted by Reformist 1 year ago
Reformist
And please Russia mass murdered people by the millions and stalin stayed in power and the military did not dissent
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