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False rape charges should be against the law

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Started: 11/13/2014 Category: Philosophy
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CaptainDogma

Pro

If you will take this debate put "ACCEPT" and then make your argument. If not simply put "DENIED" and just leave it there. Now for the rules:

ROUND 1:ARGUMENT PHASE this round isn't worth any points, but it will start things up. We're not making any rebuttals, but we are making our own argument.

ROUND 2:REBUTTAL STAGE this round is worth 2 points for whoever refutes more points.

ROUND 3:ARGUMENT PHASE(2) this round IS worth points and it's all about execution, and whoever makes the more compelling argument in this round.

ROUND 4:REBUTTAL STAGE(2) this round the same as 2 refute the arguments from the previous round, whoever refutes more 2 points, who can ever make the most compelling argument without having to use some source and explain in their own words 2 points. Good grammar 1 point. GENERAL RULES:Sources are allowed but only in argument rounds, and you're only allowed 3 sources, anymore and points will be deducted. (-3) No ad hominem attacks, and eluding to personal attacks. (-1)No fallacious arguments(-2 points)

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ARGUMENT:

I think anyone making false allegations should be held accountable. It's an offense to call the police and have nothing to report, so falsely accusing someone should also be punishable, this way the accuser would be less inclined to make false reports. This would not stop the many, but if this law WAS passed and was proven effective then less accusers would feel inclined to report false charges and true victims would probably feel more inclined to report it.
GoOrDin

Con

It is already against the Law to sew someone for something they did not commit.
I believe this is Fraud. I do not have access to legal texts to make reference to the technical terms,
but still, It is already illegal to accuse people of Rape or anything else when it is not true.
That is why we need lawyers to bring people to Court, and the winner is rewarded with enough money to pay the lawyer and be compensated.
The Court is supposed to be sufficient enough to determine if they are guilty or not, and going through the Court is the only way to determine who is guilty anyhow.
So the Guilty is charged either way.

Otherwise I would agree with you and not debate with you,
but you rationalize it is not a crime to falsely accuse people, and so I argue you are already confused and thus cannot support your end of the debate if It holds itself sufficiently above your head oblivious to your efforts.

Unless someone should claim this law should be changed... then, well, I guess this is befuddling.

Because you want to say a Rape charge which is against the law should be against the law,
I could equally argue in redundancy, that I think Rape should come to an end and the charges removed from consideration.

Otherwise, one can only stipulate in a realistic debate, that To accuse someone of Rape is to not have them charged,
and the negative social effect and monetary effects of accusing someone of Rape are a justified Penalty for the accuser.
Debate Round No. 1
CaptainDogma

Pro

If false allegations of rape are truly against the law why does it not actually get tried in courts and the accusers get a slap on the wrist, and most of the time when it does happen the accused is often thrown in jail with no investigation. Gender plays a bigger role than the actual facts most of the time in the justice system. You make it sound as if the law is always fair, which couldn't be further from the truth.

The Court is supposed to be sufficient enough to determine if they are guilty or not, and going through the Court is the only way to determine who is guilty anyhow.

I'm sure you've seen a lot of things make it in court, and fall in favor of the side of the bullshitter
People feeling confident enough to bring false accustations into court, and live television, should tell you something. Even if the person accused is proven innocent, that accustation still sticks. Things like this need to be fixed. As far as I can tell your comment seems to suggest the system is fine, and these issues don't even require to be looked at.

Otherwise, one can only stipulate in a realistic debate, that To accuse someone of Rape is to not have them charged,
and the negative social effect and monetary effects of accusing someone of Rape are a justified Penalty for the accuser.

Are you saying that if someone is said to legally be guilty of a crime by all accounts, even if it's proven to a false charged, that it is deserved?
GoOrDin

Con

Because only a court can decide if the accused is guilty regardless, the system is not in need of improving or change. Perhaps the Judges should be considered unqualified or the lawyers liars and be entirely discredited.

First we must acknowledge that:
if at any point in time during sex the woman wants you out, you are at the point raping her.
If you are disrespectful or rude, you are raping her.
if you cum when she requests you do not, or tells you not to, you have raped her.
If she does not want the sex, even if she consents, you are raping her.

If a woman is raped. Even conventionally (what is widely acknowledged as rape) and she goes to court, and losses,
she must then pay a defense attorney, and then would have to pay a Criminal Charge and have a criminal record.
THAT law would be absurd.

Taking that into consideration, your second quote was meant to suggest that, "a person who is accused is not Charged until proven guilty in court. SO accusing someone is not demeaning, if when the accuser looses she must pay both attorneys.
Debate Round No. 2
CaptainDogma

Pro

I think the courts are in need of a massive over haul if they can't seem to keep their own rules straight. When things like "stare rape" and terms like "rape culture" get taken seriously then I know that society is declining. It's not a widely commited crime, and should be investigated. If she consents and does not voice she wants to stop, then that in itself is a form of consent in and of itself. Now if someone cums in her after she's consented then it's not rape, consenting to sex means you understand the biological consequences that come with it. The law isn't "arrest a woman if a man isn't found guilty" which it seems like that's people think. It's arrest her for the amount of time the defendant would've been given if she's caught lying. The courts will still catch blatant lies and let it slide.
GoOrDin

Con

No,
if she has said do not come,
then it is rape when he does.
He can restrain himself,
and it is incompetence to come at this point.

it is also incompetence to not be able to see if she is distressed or not enjoying it, making ti rape also.

rape culture is real.
Debate Round No. 3
CaptainDogma

Pro

You know there's a thing called contraception. If he puts on a condom and cums, is that still rape? If you can voice your discontent at any moment, then you should do so, what if the man can't see her face? With all your arguments it seems as if you were implying only men can rape. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're not, but I would like to add that whenever a woman makes rape charges it gets investigated, when a man does it gets thrown out. a lot of these women are false accusers who make it difficult for the real victims. If it's incompetence to cum when she has said not to, it is incompetence to even engage in the act if you know you're not going to voice your discontent. A man cumming is a risk anyone with basic sex-ed should understand, rape accustations have nothing to do with biology.
GoOrDin

Con

Um, considering we said come in her. If he does not go into her with cum, then he did not come in her. Hence a condom is not even regard able as a statement in an argument form. You are off topic and incompetent as a debtor.

My conduct: accusing men. Is not in any way a suggestion only men can rape** that is another rash conclusion you have come to without any regard for common sense. ( nonsense not being sense, sense is always being the common form of sense. )

when a man gets raped by women who can over power him, or by groups it does not get thrown out. Hence, you are incorrect in this assumption that women raping men are disregarded by the court.

" it is incompetence to even engage in the act if you know you're not going to voice your discontent. " exactly,
making it rape.

in addition, You should not have to see her face to know she is uncomfortable. Sounds, body language, intimate connectivity.

And the risk of coming is only that the man has no self restraint. There is no other risk other than his incompetence. He sees it coming for a time long enough to secure his dignity. it's not like a balloon popping. Rape has everything to do with biology: the penis entering a vagina is a coherent action taken with great regard and consideration.

YOU YOUR BRAIN WHEN YOU DEBATE >< YOU ARE AN INCOMPETENT DEBTOR.

you react rashly without considering anything prior to responding.

Your conduct has been absent, as you disregard logic prior to responding and spout nonsense which is off topic.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
They are against the law. But like all crimes, it has to be proven.He said, she said, are some times the only evidence for either.Now if a woman accuses a man of rape, and he could prove he was not even there, then she should be thrown in prison for twice as long as the person would have been she accused of rape.
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