The Instigator
BlackVoid
Con (against)
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sammyc96
Pro (for)
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7 Points

Fast food chains are primarily responsible for obesity caused by eating there.

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Started: 10/20/2010 Category: Health
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BlackVoid

Con

First I would like to clarify. Due to topic character limitations I was not able to word the resolution the exact way I wanted. However, the resoluton and its meaning are basically what it looks like, except the second part should be "obesity mainly caused by eating there". Probably wont make much a difference though, I most likely wont make some weird argument based off the wording.

I'll let my opponent go first, and I thank them for accepting.

So that both teams get 3 true rounds each, this will be 4 rounds since this is one isnt an argument. My opponent may present their arguments immediately, but I ask my opponent to forfeit their 4th round so we get 3 rebuttals each.
sammyc96

Pro

I would like to state unlike a debate I'm currently in I will take this debate seriously. I would also like to thank my opponent for posting this debate.
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Definitions
These are the definitions I will use:

Primarily- for the most part : chiefly [1]

Responsible- liable to be called on to answer; liable to be called to account as the primary cause, motive, or agent; being the cause or explanation [2]

Fast-Food- of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly [3]

[1]http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[2]http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[3]http://www.merriam-webster.com...
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Fast food companies are not primarily responsible for obesity caused by eating there. According to the Merriam-Webster definition primarily means "for the most part." The majority of the responsibility is on the consumer's shoulders. They have the option on whether or not to buy the product, even with the fact that it is highly caloric known widely through out the population.

Diet is not the only producer to obesity, The National Heart Lung and Blood Institute explains weight gain as a "lack of energy balance" this means the energy in (from food for debate purposes fast food) is greater than energy out (energy burnt over the course of the day includes exercise). If you eat fast food you won't gain weight if you exercise. [4]

Lawsuits against fast food companies have also been thrown out due to the fact that the judge believed that we should know the fact that overindulgence is not good for your health. [5]

Not all fast food is fatty. The definition being used is "of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly" Example that fit this definition are, McDonalds, Burger King, Subway, pizzerias, and delis. Let me explain why pizzerias, and delis are considered fast food. First off it takes a short time to make the sandwiches or heat up the slice of pizza. Delis are just like Subway except you don't make the sandwich as you go, you tell your server and then they deliver it to you. Pizzerias are just like McDonalds and Burger King. The food is pre-made for you all you do is order and they heat it up for you.

Big name Fast Food companies like McDonalds, and Wendy's all have healthier substitutions to french fries. Each of these companies give you the choice between the healthier option or the unhealthy option for the same price. [6][7] Also these and other companies make the nutrition information available to you. Therefore, the consumer is aware of the nutrition information and will know that this option isn't the healthiest [8][9][10]

[4]http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov...
[5]http://findarticles.com...
[6]http://www.mcdonalds.com...
[7]http://www.wendys.com...
[8]http://www.wendys.com...
[9]http://www.mcdonalds.com...
[10]http://www.subway.com...
Debate Round No. 1
BlackVoid

Con

I would like to start by saying I agree with everything my opponent's said and...

*reads comments*

Nevermind.

OK lets really begin.

Definitions (1)

Fast food: of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly.

In this debate I will refer to fast food as the way most people see it. McDonalds, BK, Wendy's, etc.

Chain: a group of enterprises or institutions of the same kind or function usually under a single ownership, management, or control
Primarily: For the most part, chiefly
Responsible: liable to be called to account as the primary cause
Obesity: a condition characterized by the excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body

Point 1: Options

A. Fast food consumption is purely up to the choice of the consumer.
The switchblade is not convicted of murder, the person who used it to kill somebody is. In the same respect, the food must not be considered responsible for obesity, the person must be. Nobody is forcing people to eat unhealthy food. They are making that choice on their own free will. Therefore, since fast food is inherently noncoercive, it must not be considered responsible for obesity. If people eat McDonald's every day, they and they alone are responsible for their health concerns.

B. Fast food chains offer healthy alternatives to traditional burgers and fries. McDonald's offers salads (2), Wendy's offers salads and potatoes (3, 4), and numerous places have grilled chicken. If people really want to eat at McDonald's so much, then they can still go there and eat healthy. If they do not make the choice to have hearty foods and go with the double quarter pounder, the McTriple, or Double Big Mac (TM), then it is Rosie O'Donnel's own fault that she gains weight.

Point 2: Unhealthy food consumption can be counteracted.
The average person should eat 2000 calories a day. But even if you go over that, all one has to do is go for a jog, walk the dog, or do anything else that requires extra calories to burn it off. If obese people make the decision to eat a bunch of unhealthy fast food they can make the choice to get on a treadmill and help themselves. If they don't do so, how can you blame fast food chains for that?

People have the right to eat what they want. Fast food chains dont coerce customers into going there. So any negative consequences resulting from eating at fast food restaurants is not the responsibility of the restaurant, its the person. Its for these reasons I urge a con vote.

1. http://www.merriam-webster.com...
2. http://www.mcdonalds.com...
3. http://www.wendys.com...
4. http://www.wendys.com...
sammyc96

Pro

I would first like to start off adding to the definition of fast food from Merriam-Webster. What he failed to tell us is that there is a second definition which states "designed for ready availability, use, or consumption and with little consideration given to quality or significance" [1] With this definition in mind it makes the fast food chains much more responsible for the obesity due to the fact that they do not care about the quality.

I would like to point out to my opponent that McDonalds does not offer "healthy alternatives." The healthy alternatives my opponent listed for McDonalds were salads. The salads in McDonalds are more caloric than a plain hamburger. The majority of the salads have 800-1000 mg of salt, and the salad dressing has 300-700 mg of salt.[2] That means a salad with dressing has 1200-1700 mg of salt. The most a healthy adult can have is 2,300. One teaspoon of salt has 2,325 mg of salt [3] meaning after having a "healthy alternative" at McDonalds you would have to cut salt out of your diet for the other two meals which is almost impossible in this country.

At the beginning of his first argument my opponent said, "I will refer to fast food as the way most people see it. McDonalds, BK, Wendy's, etc." BUT; when talking about restaurants with healthy alternatives he leaves out Burger King, and I know why. When doing my first "mistake" argument I tried to show Burger King's healthy alternatives. The only problem was I couldn't find any. Of the two salad options I found both were loaded with sodium, and came with salad dressing that had more sodium than it had calories.[4]

Fast Food is primarily responsible for the obesity of the population especially now. In this recession many people can't make ends meet and need to buy cheap food. Fast food restaurants have value meals. At fast food you can buy whole meals for $1-$3 [5][6][7] When at home making yourself a cheeseburger is much more expensive. It is $2.99 for just the cheese. $1.67 for the buns. $5.19 for the patties, [8]and you have to pay for the electricity and/or gas needed for the lights on in your house and to power the stove. So really fast food is the better option for many people.

People just can't get on a treadmill in order to burn calories. It takes 60 minutes to burn 500 calories on a treadmill. Not many people can afford to buy a treadmill or have a gym membership. A treadmill is $1,099 [9] and a gym membership has an initiation fee and monthly payments [10]

[1]http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[2]http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com...
[3]http://www.mayoclinic.com...
[4]http://www.bk.com...
[5]http://www.bk.com...
[6] http://www.mcdonalds.com...
[7]http://www.mcdonalds.com...
[8] http://www.peapod.com...
[9]http://www.walmart.com...
[10]http://gothamist.com...
Debate Round No. 2
BlackVoid

Con

1. My opponent claims that salads are more caloric and salty than a hamburger. While true, he is only telling you one side of the story. Salads also outweigh a hamburger on fiber, protein, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Calcium, and Iron. (1)

Furthermore he fails to realize that hamburgers will be eaten with other items. Most hamburgers at fast food places are small. It will not fill you up. You will likely need to buy fries as well, which add to the sodium. Sine we're talking about obese people in the resolution, obese people will likely need two burgers (or one of the VERY fat-heavy sandwiches [1]) plus some fries to get full at which point it outweighs the salad on fat, sodium, cholesterol, and calories. Salads on the other hand are often the only thing people need. While they are indeed high on sodium, it is outweighed by its other nutritional benefits.

2. My opponent claims fast food is cheaper than buying the ingredients which mandates its consumption in our economy. This is where my opponent's logic is flawed most. He lists prices of packages of foods. The key here though is the word "packages". This means the food comes in "multiples". Yeah, a package of hamburger meat is more expensive than a cheeseburger at McDonald's, but at McDonald's you only get one hamburger. In a package you get around 5. Most buns come in packages of 8. Cheese comes in packages of ten or more. This shows that you are actually saving money by not eating fast food (2), which again proves my point that eating it is noncoercive and therefore is the responsibility of the customer for what happens to them.

He points out that people cant just get on a treadmill or go to the gym. However, in my point I listed multiple ways to burn calories including going for a jog and walking a dog. While I'm here I might as well add riding a bike and doing push ups. I understand not everybody has a treadmill, but it is a very good option for people who do have one. If people eat enough fast food to where it would cause weight gain, these things are an effective deterrant. If these light exercises are not enough,, then the person is obviously eating way too much fast food anyway which
as previously stated is not the company's responsibility.

1. http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com...
2. http://www.greendivamom.com...
sammyc96

Pro

sammyc96 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
BlackVoid

Con

Since my opponent forfeited his round I will take this opportunity to respond to one of his arguments I mistakenly left out.

He pointed out BK doesnt have healthy items, I dont deny this. So then, if youre susceptible to gaining weight, dont go to BK. If the choice is made to eat there, then like I've said, the chain isnt responsible. They arent forcing that decision.

Round summary/Voting issues

1. Fast food chains are noncoercive
2. Weight gain can be controlled even if unhealthy food is eaten
3. My opponent dropped all my round three arguments.

Thanks to everyone who followed this. I urge a con vote.
sammyc96

Pro

sammyc96 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by BlackVoid 6 years ago
BlackVoid
So once again you drop 2 rounds but give yourself 7 points? I dont get why this site even allows the debaters to vote.

I dont intend on voting in any of my debates but I'll do it this time to cancel out this...
Posted by BlackVoid 6 years ago
BlackVoid
Sammy we need to have a debate some time where we have a complete round. If possible could you give me a set of days where you wont be busy? We can do death penalty or something.
Posted by sammyc96 6 years ago
sammyc96
Yea thanks I kept getting mixed up. Thanks. BlackVoid you will start the debate we will ignore my first argument, and I wont skip the last round. Well there goes a good 20-30 minutes of my life :)
Posted by tornshoe92 6 years ago
tornshoe92
Sammy I think you should look again at who's on what side of the debate. Otherwise I believe you will both be trying to make the same arguments =).
Posted by BlackVoid 6 years ago
BlackVoid
@bluesteel

I'm not a fan of making debates hinge on definitions. If thats what the debate comes down to then it wont be because of me.

And yeah, the resolution implies chains are more responsible.
Posted by 1stLordofTheVenerability 6 years ago
1stLordofTheVenerability
Everybody assume a Pro-Ronald stance - yeah!! : D
Posted by bluesteel 6 years ago
bluesteel
lol, lucky you caught that
Posted by tornshoe92 6 years ago
tornshoe92
Nevermind on that... didn't notice which side of the debate BV was on =). My bad.
Posted by tornshoe92 6 years ago
tornshoe92
Thanks for the advice. I think instead of waiting around for an easily winnable debate I'll jump right into the "action" though. Just as an fyi to BlackVoid I have a couple classes tomorrow and one class and a couple meetings on Friday so my post times will likely be at odd hours.
Posted by bluesteel 6 years ago
bluesteel
@tornshoe92

Seems like that is what the topic intends. However, you may not want this as your first debate. It will probably hinge on the definitions of primarily and responsible. Look up definitions for primarily before you accept - it sets an awfully high burden of proof.
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