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brian_eggleston
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Labrat228
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Fast food outlets that sell "hamburgers" should be fined or closed down.

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Started: 8/22/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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brian_eggleston

Pro

These cretinous catering conmen are swindling their customers and getting away with it. They are passing off what are just ordinary beefburgers* as "hamburgers", but they are not hamburgers at all because:

1 – They do not contain 100% ham. In fact, they don't even contain 1% ham. Indeed, hamburgers are actually totally ham-free products. If you are forbidden by your religion to eat pork, don't worry; you can eat as many hamburgers as you like without jeopardising your chances of making it into the afterlife.

2 – They are not made in Hamburg. If they were, the "h" would be capitalised as in Parma ham or Cheddar cheese. To add insult to injury, these miserable tricksters ask you if you want French fries with your beefburger, even though the fries are patently not from France.

If a jeweller advertised a timepiece that he knew was made in China as a "Swiss watch" or an antique dealer described a rug that was made in Chicago as a "Persian carpet" or a liquor store sold bottles of Scotch Whisky that actually contained a mixture of rain, spit and anti-freeze and were bottled in Bangladesh, they would be rightly punished.

These fast-food fraudsters should be fined by the consumer protection authorities and those that continue to pass off beefburgers as "hamburgers" should be closed down.

* http://www.askoxford.com...
Labrat228

Con

Thank you pro for this interesting debate.

I will Debate with these perimeters.

1. The effect of closing or fining fast food restaurants on the world market.

85,000 fast food restaurants are in the USA

"In the United States alone, consumers spent about US$110 billion on fast food in 2000 (which increased from US$6 billion in 1970).[14] The National Restaurant Association forecasts that fast food restaurants in the U.S. will reach US$142 billion in sales in 2006, a 5% increase over 2005. In comparison, the full-service restaurant segment of the food industry is expected to generate $173 billion in sales."

Now what would happen if you suddenly fined or closed 85,000 Businesses with $173 Billion USD in sales? Catastrophe.

Recently on New Year's Day 2008 a study was conducted worldwide counting the number of fast food restaurants per person. The UK has name claimed this title with Australia second and the United States third. England alone accounted for 25% of all fast food.
Also found on Wikipedia.

2. The definition of Hamburger

"A sandwich consisting of a cooked patty of ground or chopped beef, usually in a roll or bun, variously garnished."

The definition of hamburger says it is made of beef. Therefor no false adds.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

I negate my opponents argument.
I have made 2 points.
1. It would harm the world economy if fines or closing were to happen.

2. A hamburger by definition is made of 100% beef. Therefor their is 0% froud.
Debate Round No. 1
brian_eggleston

Pro

First of all, I would like to make it absolutely clear that I certainly do not want to see reputable takeaways closed down, although, from the point of view of the health of the nation this might not be bad thing. The countries my opponent referred to, the US, the UK and Australia, have some of the highest rates of obesity in the world. However, this problem could be alleviated by requiring fast food restaurants to have narrower entrances to stop the obese from getting in.

http://www.debate.org...

I would like, if I may, to invite you to visit the website of a nationwide chain of pubs:

http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk...

As you can see they offer:

Beef burgers (made out of beef)
Chicken burgers (made out of chicken)
Lamb burgers (made out of lamb), and
Vegetable burgers (made out of grass and leaves, or whatever it is that vegetarians eat)

This is a very good deal - the equivalent of ten dollars gets you a burger and fries with a pint thrown in gratis - but you soon get tired of eating the same things. That's why I asked my local branch to rustle me up something a bit different for a change and I ordered a burger with a nice bit of ham in it. It was lovely and several other customers tried it and voiced their approval. Now the chain are thinking of introducing it to the menu. What do you think they should call it? A "ham burger" (since it contains ham) or a "smoked salmon and cream cheese burger" which it doesn't contain, but what the hey?

My opponent referred us to a link to an American dictionary with a definition of a hamburger as a patty of beef in a bun. What? So we are all supposed to carry American - English, English - American phrasebooks with us every time we pop out for a takeaway?

Wouldn't it be simpler for for fast-food outlets just to amend their menus to accurately reflect what they are actually selling?
Labrat228

Con

Please go to Google and type in Define:Hamburger, right off the bat you will see 6 different sources (not all American) define hamburger as being made of beef. One of the many great things about a Capitalistic Economy is that we have the freedom to choose what we purchase. If the govt. was to shut down fast-food restaurants because it made people obese then it would be defeating the purpose.

Note how my opponent stated this:
"My opponent referred us to a link to an American dictionary with a definition of a hamburger as a patty of beef in a bun. What? So we are all supposed to carry American - English, English - American phrasebooks with us every time we pop out for a takeaway?"
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I have given 6 definitions. Not all from an American Dictionary. Note how my opponent failed to offer a definition in response that challenged the "American" definition.

Thanks for the Debate Brian
Hope to debate you again sometime!
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by crackofdawn_Jr 8 years ago
crackofdawn_Jr
That's incorrect. Typical american, taking credit for us german's work.
Posted by brian_eggleston 8 years ago
brian_eggleston
According to American writer, Bill Bryson, they were invented in America - in a small town called Hamburg...but were served with potatoes, not in a bun and called Hamburger steaks
Posted by crackofdawn_Jr 8 years ago
crackofdawn_Jr
The name Hamburgers comes from where it was created. It was created in Hamburg, Germany. It's always been made with beef, never ham.
Posted by USAPitBull63 9 years ago
USAPitBull63
Excellent points raised here. In fact, hot dog vendors should be automatically fined or shut down, also, because---contrary to popular belief, they aren't made from dogs.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
...people had been happily eating TVP, but the subsequent outcry lead to the current "100% beef" status quo.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
I recall in the early 70's, one fast-food chain unilaterally decided that hamburgers didn't need to contain beef (possibly based on this name discrepancy) and substituted it with TVP (texturised vegetable protein).
I don't know how long
Posted by Labrat228 9 years ago
Labrat228
Well im always looking forwards to debates and this one interested me i so decided to take it! I will be on late tomorrow night to post my reply after you.
Posted by brian_eggleston 9 years ago
brian_eggleston
Well, thanks for taking the debate so quickly Labrat228 (there are 227 more Labrats on here already?!) and I look forward to posting my reply. However, it's currently 6.30pm on a Friday night here in London and I'm off out - so it'll be tomorrow at the earliest before I get round to it.

Cheers!
Posted by Labrat228 9 years ago
Labrat228
This will prove to be interesting! I cant wait to see where this could lead.
Posted by Rezzealaux 9 years ago
Rezzealaux
WAT.

U R NOT TAKIN OUT MAI IN&OUT.

*signs ballot CON*
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