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Creation_21
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Fatal Bible Flaws

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backwardseden

Pro

(taken from The Secular Web)
DT 6:5, MT 22:37, MK 12:30, LK 10:27 Love God.

DT 6:13, PS 33:8, 34:9, 111:10, 115:13, 128:1, 147:11, PR 8:13, 16:6, 19:23, 22:4, IS 8:13, LK 12:5, 1PE 2:17 Fear God.
1JN 4:18 There is no fear in love.

PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets.
JE 8:8 The scribes (copyists, editors, teachers) falsify the word.
2TH 2:11-12 God deceives the wicked (to be able to condemn them).
(Note: Not every word of God can prove true if God deceives anyone at all; teaching from the Bible cannot be trusted if the scribes falsify the word. In other words, the first reference is mutually exclusive with the other three. Thus, the Bible cannot be the perfect work of a perfect, all-powerful and loving God since one or more of the above references is obviously untrue. Note also: Some versions use the word "persuade" rather than "deceives." The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)

EZ 20:25 God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws. (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect.)

LK 1:26-38 The angel who appears to Mary to foretell the birth of Jesus says that Jesus will be given the throne of David, that he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and that his kingdom will never end. (None of this took place nor can it now be fulfilled.)

MT 16:28, MK 9:1, LK 9:27 Jesus says that some of his listeners will not taste death before he comes again in his kingdom. This was said almost 2000 years ago.
(Note: This passage and many others indicate that Jesus was to come again in a relatively short period of time and not just "quickly" as present day Biblicists assert. All of his listeners are now dead, yet Jesus has not come again in his kingdom. All of the alleged words of Jesus put forth in the Bible are therefore suspect.)

MK 16:17-18 A believer can handle snakes or drink poison and not experience any harm.
(Note: Many unfortunate believers have died as a result of handling snakes and/or drinking poison; this kind of assertion negates the Bible as a useful guidebook for life. It should also be noted that the oldest manuscripts of Mark end at MK 16:8; as the footnotes to The New Oxford Annotated Bible put it, verses 9-20 cannot have been part of the original text of Mark.)


Indeed since these are true Fatal Bible Flaws, the bible is unreadable. So that brings this debate to the RULES: Prove that the bible IS READABLE, UNDERSTANDABLE by thus countering the fatal flaws as correctly listed above. There will be more fatal flaws/ mistakes in the bible as it is supposed to be perfect, and so is its god, Sorry they ain't, in which you as a debater would be required to counter as well.



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Creation_21

Con

I apologize if some of my answers are kind of brief, you gave me a lot of topics to cover. I want to state first that almost every verse you used is taken way out of context.

1. When the Bible says to fear God (LK 12:5 etc...), it's referring to having reverence for him, not fear as in terror. So there is no contradiction in the statement "no fear in love (1 JN 4:18)".

2. God had already pronounced a death sentence upon Ahab (1 Kings 20:42, 21:19), but had given him opportunity to repent of his wickedness. With this final rejection of God's counsel, God determined to carry out the death sentence. Since Ahab continued to prefer the lies of his false prophets over the truth given by God's prophets, God chose to use the false prophets to carry out His plan. When God asked for volunteers to assist Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there (1 Kings 22:20), a spirit (fallen angel/demon) said he would be a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets. God gave the spirit permission to proceed, and Ahab received the message he desired.

God chose to use a lying spirit because Ahab rejected God's rebukes and warnings all through his life and the cup of God's wrath was full. Since God is sovereign over all of creation, He is not restricted in what or whom He can use to accomplish His holy purposes. All of creation is under His authority, and He chooses to use people and spirits, both good and evil, to bring His divine plans to pass and bring glory to Himself. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: "What have you done?" (Daniel 4:35). In the case of Ahab, God chose to using a lying spirit to accomplish His perfect and righteous plan (Psalm 18:30). The lying spirit will receive its punishment just as Ahab did, and those who repent of their sins will receive forgiveness just like Ahab could have.

3. (Jer 8:8-9) The folly of rejecting the word of the Lord.
"How can you say, 'We are wise,
And the law of the Lord is with us?'
Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.
The wise men are ashamed,
They are dismayed and taken.
Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord;
So what wisdom do they have?"

a. We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us: This is what the people of Judah said of themselves. They were so self-deceived that they actually believed they were wise, and that they walked according to the law of the Lord.

b. Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood: God reminded Judah that not all who study and teach the word of God do so honestly. There are some who use their pen to work falsehood, not truth.

c. They have rejected the word of the Lord; so what wisdom do they have? Though they claimed to have both wisdom and Biblical truth, they had neither. In rejecting God's word, they rejected wisdom. They had none.

d. When men reject the word of Jehovah, "What manner of wisdom is in them?" The answer is that the manner of such wisdom is, to quote James, "earthly, sensual, devilish" (James 3:13).

4. God did not make the statutes he gave the people up to. They wanted something and were very insistent on getting that thing, so God allowed them what they wanted.

5. Jesus' throne is in the Kingdom of Heaven, not the earth; and he is reigning there now.

6. If you read the next few verses after, Jesus' earthly body is transfigured into his heavenly body before some of the people in that very crowd. "(Matthew 17:1-8) Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;"and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. "And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. "Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.
While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. "But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid." When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only."
And if the transfiguration is not stated in some of the other gospels that only further proves the validity of the bible. In a court case if all the witnesses say the exact same thing it is said to be most likely a conspiracy. However, if the stories vary slightly and some have a little more, and some a little less, it is taken as more valid than the stories matching.

7. This is also basically an analogy for the Lord's power over all of our worldly things. What Jesus says about poisonous drinks, "they drink any deadly thing" (KJV) would seem to also apply to the issue of handling snakes. It is not something we are to go out of our way seeking, but if it does occur, there may be healing power available in Christ. Also non-believing people who are herpetologists handle snakes all the time and survive. Some gang members are forced to drink poison or snake venom in alcohol to get "jumped in" and they survive, so that's not the best argument you could have used.

These are real answers to common skeptical questions on the topic of the validity of the bible's words. So please come back with your next argument, and please leave out any ad hominem.

Since you wouldn't answer in the comment section, here is the same question;
If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Oh jeez. Apologize? See that’s the problem(s) with christians and how drastically they misinterpret from one to the next. There was only 6 subjects for you to cover. Its not like there were thousands. Regardless, there’s thousands of contradictory hypocritical inconsistencies making your bible unreadable also and goes along perfectly with the Fatal Bible Flaws which were taken from The Secular Web. And they know better than you, so I had better not see any improv from you/ excuses/ flat out lying in which christians are so good at in an attempt to save their drowning ship from wreckage which never works. I didn’t give you a lot of topics to over at all. And if you have some problems, then you take it up with them, not me. Got it?

“I want to state first that almost every verse you used is taken way out of context.” Oh really? OK then that’s reason enough for me to end this debate because it is so obvious that you have 0% clue as to what you are squawking about. But let’s see what you have got. Because I DO KNOW the bible A LOT BETTER BY FAR than a miserable high schooler with a high school educated kid like you, no offence. And it is quite apparent that you don’t know your god, religion and bible AT ALL just by examining your first 1.

Let me give you a quote from someone who again knows one helluva lot better than you…
“If you try to get clarification, if you try to get what the christian orthodox view is on the law, you're not going to find consensus. You’re not going to find christians ‘oh here’s what christians think about’ they’re all going to have this concept of this different thing now. But as far as it applies and why and what to do with it, they’re all different. Its going to be a hard argument because most have different ideas about it and most are going to change their ideas and start tweeking them as soon as they have to start answering questions because they haven’t looked into it before most of them.” Tracie Harris

Oh boy is that ever so true… Proof of valid point of purchase point is…
1. When the Bible says to fear God it is meaning to fear god as that is what the entire OT is all about. Its NOT about, love, peace, caring for each other, kindness, harmony now is it? NOPE. If you do not know that then you know squat about your god, religion and bible.

Here’s how your god, religion and bible works and how nearly all religions have worked throughout history. And you’d know this IF and only IF you were to have studied religion and history… Your god has power and through that power is created fear, and through that fear is created control. Its that simple. But then again I guess you cannot understand what simpleton English is either. But then again you cannot twist and turn all the hate and evil that is your god through the power and fear with a few schmaltzy verses that took place in the OT in comparison to the NT which were written by different authors at different time periods. Nice try kid. But then again, if you wish them to stand, sure why not, even better because that would mean that you have quite a few major contradiction verses on your hands so once again proving that your babbling bible is unreadable. But that’s another subject for in which there’s thousands of contradictions and inconsistencies.

But one question remains… How can in any way you NOT consider your god as NOT being terror? Haven’t you read AT ALL your bible? Apparently not.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror.” - Richard Dawkins and yes he also knows one helluva lot more about your god, religion and bible than you ---ever--- will.

2. “god had already pronounced a death sentence upon Ahab” Whoa stop right there. Why would YOUR god have to pronounce a death sentence on anybody? So according to you, your god is NOT in any way about peace, kindness, love, caring for each other, harmony…
Who cares what (1 Kings 20:42, 21:19), says? According to Proverbs 30:5 “5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
So when this god of yours blatantly puts the lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets as he did in 1 Kings 22:23 “Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.” Then you take your bible at its word and you do not change it to suit your wants, needs and desires which is why your christian religion is failing and fading fast. Its lost 5.1% of its following since 2007 and atheism has doubled. Rightly. Justly. Now how is ANYONE supposed to take your god at his word and worship him when he does s--t like this? So obviously IN NO WAY IS EVERY WORD OF YOUR GOD PURE!!!!!!! Now what part of that don’t you understand?

Well I have 0% of a clue what you are trying to hash out with 3. You are going to have to clear that one up. But if its what I am thinking, you are truly in deep caca and I would strongly suggest that you avoid it.

4. “god did not make the statutes he gave the people up to.” Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What grade of worthless pond scowl looking at himself in the mirror have you graduated from to---truly---make---that---one---up---from? I want you to prove that one right now. There’s no bible verse(s) or chapers or books that come from your god’s overbearing chimp maw that comes anywhere close, I mean, not even the big bang comes close, to saying that. See? You cannot even take your god’s word at his word when handed to you on a silver platter and he slapped you across the face with it. So what word DO YOU take your bible at? Oh I get it, just like every fricken christian out there, which again is why your religion is failing, you take your own. I am so ready to call this debate quits because you are CLEARLY WITHOUT QUESTION FLAT---OUT---INVENTING---EXCUSES to save yourself from that noose around your neck.

5. Jesus' throne is in the Kingdom of Heaven, not the earth; and he is reigning there now. Well um no. jesus is a false prophet in which you cannot even prove having ever existed. But that’s another subject in which is so ridiculously easy to prove. And here’s something for yah to think about…. “If jesus went back to heaven, how is that a sacrifice?” Author unknown but correct.
“Children watching violence on tv, bad. Children in church seeing a lifelike grotesque statue of a crucified man, good. Makes sense?” - David Blickstein

6. “If you read the next few verses after, Jesus' earthly body is transfigured into his heavenly body before some of the people in that very crowd. "(Matthew 17:1-8)” No he wasn’t because they did not know what heaven was. And that’s certainly NOT in any way a description of what was described as AND READ IT (Note: This passage and many others indicate that Jesus was to come again in a relatively short period of time and not just "quickly" as present day Biblicists assert. All of his listeners are now dead, yet Jesus has not come again in his kingdom. All of the alleged words of Jesus put forth in the Bible are therefore suspect.) Everything you listed has 0% to do with it.

7. See? That’s why thankfully christianity does not have a kid like you interpreting for the rest of christians. The verses CLEARLY points out that its perfectly ok to drink from poisonous snakes and not be harmed from them in the name of christ which is yet another bold faced lie from you bible as not one person on record, not one, has survived.


Summary
Like I said, don’t take any of this up with me. Take it up with the author of who composed the page from The Secular Web. And once again, he, like me, obviously does know a lot more about your god, bible and religion than you ---ever--- will.


Conclusion
As stated before it is so blatantly clear that, well who knows what, has turned you upside down, but for whatever reason, I have never seen anyone who is more brainwashed than you by looking at their profiles. It is so obvious that nothing said, anything from anybody, no matter what it is, even if someone were to agree with EXACTLY to the letter to what YOU and only you were to say, that you would still manage to find fault with that person.

Now I would really like to know who groomed you, exactly who indoctrinated you as everybody is born an atheist, no exceptions, none, when you have no proof whatsoever for your god’s nor christ's existence (and neither does anyone else)? And why exactly, with a good reason, why do you believe?

Of course not would I become a christian because proving christianity as being true is an impossibility with all of your god’s hate and evil as he has freely admitted to with all of his deliberate massive genocides for absolutely no reason, his hatred of children, hatred of gays and women, love for raped women, fully endorsing slavery, simply not believing in your god is according to him being worthy of being stoned to death, your supposed jesus telling everybody to give up everything including family and ALL possessions which means you are not a christian at all etc etc etc… NO ONE CAN FOLLOW YOUR CHRIST AND GOD according to your bible!!!!!!!!!!!!! P-e-r-i-o-d and who would “want” to?
Creation_21

Con

For something to be called immoral, it must be contrary to some moral code. So what is this moral code that you are accusing God of breaking? If it"s just your own personal opinion on how people should act, it"s tantamount to you saying, "I don"t like what God did in the Old Testament." Well, so what? That"s your opinion.
This is known as subjective morality, meaning that every person, or group of people, decides for him, or herself what is right or wrong. I have my moral code, you have your moral code, and there"s no way of judging between them. But is that really how morality works? No. There are certain actions that are really right or wrong for everyone. For example, it is truly good to love and care for a little child and it is truly evil to harm and abuse her. This applies to all people at all times. And this is what is known as objective morality.
But where does this moral code come from and why must we follow it? We know that human laws come from a human authority, like a ruler or government. And an objective moral law that binds every human being across all of the time requires a grand moral authority who rules over everyone and everything: God.
God is the ultimate standard of right and wrong. Behaviors that align with God"s nature or commands are good and actions that contradict them are evil. This is how we determine right and wrong. So for you to accuse God of performing a truly immoral act, you are actually providing evidence for God"s existence.
To complain that God has committed immoral acts is also to admit there is an objective moral law. But God is the best explanation of objective morality. Therefore, calling certain actions truly immoral actually provides evidence for God"s existence.
In other words, when you say God is evil, you are assuming that there is a good. When you assume there is a good, you assume there"s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, but that"s who you"re trying to disprove and not prove. Because if there"s no moral law giver, than there is no moral law. If there"s no moral law, there"s no good. If there is no good, there is no evil. So what is your complaint?
So, you cannot say that God"s characteristics are, "hate and evil as he has freely admitted to with all of his deliberate massive genocides for absolutely no reason, his hatred of children, hatred of gays and women, love for raped women, fully endorsing slavery, simply not believing in your god is according to him being worthy of being stoned to death, your supposed jesus telling everybody to give up everything including family and ALL possessions which means you are not a christian at all". Because, without a moral law giver you cannot have evil, so your argument is viciously circular. The only way you can actually make those kinds of claims is if there is a holy and just God who is the standard by which morality can be measured.

Are you 100% sure that you know the bible better than a "miserable high schooler"? That is a hasty generalization fallacy, where someone generalizes about a class or group on a small and poor sample. You are assuming that because I am of a certain age group that I have less knowledge of a specific subject that yourself. Classic generalization fallacy.

To answer your quote from Trace Harris, that is why God is the authority, not man; and that is why God wants to have a relationship with each one of us individually, not as groups. Trace Harris is not the ultimate authority, nor is the pope, nor is anyone else, God is the one and only ultimate authority. Also, atheists have conflicting views on what the correct theory is that they should put their faith in; but they don"t have anyone to provide the ultimate authority; on those subjects.

1. Quoted from the Mariam Webster dictionary the definition of, "Fear": profound reverence and awe especially toward God.
Again, it is referring to fear as in reverence, not fear as in terror. In your statement you are making another contextual error and also guilty of the fallacy of equivocation.

You said, "But then again I guess you cannot understand what simpleton English is either" That is the fallacy of ad hominem. I request that you use no more ad hominem in your future rebuttals with me, please!

2. You continually appeal to morality. You remind me of C.S Lewis when he said, "My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?"

3. It"s a very straight forward concept. You"re a smart guy; I"m sure you can figure it out.

You said, "which is why your christian religion is failing and fading fast. Its lost 5.1% of its following since 2007 and atheism has doubled. Rightly. Justly" That is the dictionary definition of a red herring fallacy.

You also said, "According to what imbecile? You? What grade of worthless pond scowl looking at himself in the mirror have you graduated from to---truly---make---that---one---up---from? " Again, the fallacy of ad hominem"

4. Again, It"s referring to the Lord allowing them what those few people wanted. Not him making bad laws for them to have to follow.

5. "jesus is a false prophet in which you cannot even prove having ever existed." How is it possible for one to be a false prophet if they never existed?
Jesus Christ is literally one of the most documented figures in all of history. Even Bart D. Ehrman and Richard Dawkins admit that he existed. Now, your views are in conflict with other atheists, just like your quote from Trace Harris where she was trying to attribute that to Christians.

6. Did you not read my original answer? That is the actual answer to your question. You may not like the fact that one plus one equals two, but that"s the answer whether you like it or not. Sometimes people are not satisfied with an answer, and that is not necessarily the fault of the answer, nor does it determine its truth. But, rather the fault lies with the hearer; in denying the truth. Because people are not generally on a truth quest, they are usually on a happiness quest.

7. Paul was bitten by a venomous snake on the island of Malta, they expected him to die, but he did not. Also, lots of people go to bars and put snake venom and/or poison in drinks to prove their manliness or to get jumped into a gang, and survive. Many of the medicines that we take to this day are just poisons that have positive side effects like killing pain, or destroying certain cells that carry diseases etc., etc. So, not a very good argument.

Everybody is born an atheist? To be an atheist you would have to have infinite knowledge of all things to be able to prove that God does not exist somewhere or somehow, this then would make you god. Hence, there is no such thing as an atheist; especially atheist newborns.

And as for your answer of "no you would not become a Christian if Christianity were true" is completely unreasonable. If atheists are supposed to be the bastions of reason, how can you make sense of your unreasonable answer? If something is true and you deny that it is true, you are being unreasonable and illogical. If you don"t use logic and reason in a debate, then you are at a great disadvantage to say the least. It does appear that you may be in a state of complete cognitive dissonance.

Finally and most importantly, you asked me, "why do I believe what I believe"? Because I know the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that He gave his perfect life up for me and every person. It"s just up to each person coming to the conclusion of whether or not they are going to accept the free gift of eternal life to be with God in heaven. Because @backwardseden I have news for you, God will always be God, and you"re not, you will always be like a speck of dust underfoot to God, but yet God loves you enough to die for you! Imagine that, the Creator of the universe, loves you! God is so amazing that he doesn"t expect us to do this alone; he actually has skin in the game, he took it upon himself to help us, despite everything we do. Why don"t you want that to be the case? By claiming to be an atheist you are literally sitting in His lap and spitting in His face at the same time. But that"s okay, God gave the gift of grace to everybody, all you have to do is accept that grace. Don"t you understand that? It"s so easy that a four year old can understand it fully, but yet so complicated that scholars, professors and theologians can"t fully understand the depth of it! It"s the best thing could ever happen to anyone, and all you have to do is take a free gift! I ask you to consider that, please, for your own good!
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

DO NOT EVER TRY TO CONVERT ME INTO YOUR EVIL HATEFUL RELIGION YOU F--CKIN PRICK. I Have read your bible. You have not. That is so obvious. You have been groomed, brainwashed and indoctrinated by those that wish to gain from you your well being because it makes them feel better about themselves. You don"t believe in any truth because you cannot even prove that your pathetic jesus nor god even exists. Now you wants something completely immoral? OK I just posted two debates that are completely immoral".
Do you live in a house? Do you have internet? Well according to your precious bumbling jesus you are supposed to give them up for him.
Do you have a family? Parents, a mother, a father, a sister, a brother? You are supposed to give all of them up for him and hate them in return. Now watch this video and pay close attention because you CANNOT REFUTE IT. See? Now what I am doing is presenting what is called -evidence-. Your bible, god, jesus, religion, are not evidence especially when your god can simply come on down here and talk to us. That"s evidence and not play a game of hide-and-g-seek and murder children. Now if you do not look at this evidence and comprehend it and absorb it, then don"t even bother posting me back because I will not pay any attention to what you have to say because you will become a worthless truly gullible schmuck that will bite into anything in my book. After all you have bitten into your god. So hey, why not pink fairies?
https://www.youtube.com... - Why does every intelligent christian disobey jesus?
So really you are not a christian at all. Nor is anyone else.
Pay close attention to these videos as well".
https://www.youtube.com... - Top 10 reasons why the bible is repulsive
https://www.youtube.com... - Context (think I"m taking things out of context? Sorry. You are)
https://www.youtube.com... - Summarizing proof that god is evil
https://www.youtube.com... - God: Merciful? Maniac? Mass-Murderer?

Now let"s see what you have to say, if anything worthwhile in which I seriously doubt by your opening oblong sentence. Moral code. B.S. Your god is morally bankrupt and corrupt. It doesn"t take a hill of beans to figure that one out. Here"s a questionnaire for you to answer"
Is killing evil - especially is killing children suckling on their mother"s breasts evil? Y____? N____? Is slavery evil? Y____? N____? Is rape evil? Y____? N____? Is hating gays and wanting to stone them to death evil? Y____? N____? Is deliberate genocide evil? Y____? N____? Is hating children evil? Y____? N____? Is believing in different gods a warrant for death? Y____? N____? Is not believing in YOUR god worthy of being stoned to death? Y____? N____? All of these your god has freely admitted to and participated in. Is your jesus telling you to give up EVERYTHING including your ENTIRE family and all of your possessions and if YOU will NOT YOU will NOT become one of his disciples, is that evil? Y____? N____? And if not then clearly, why haven"t YOU done it? Do you believe that is perfectly OK for YOUR jesus to tell you to drink poisonous snakes venom and you will be fine afterwards? Y____? N____? Etc etc etc Now you look it up if you don"t believe me. Your god AND jesus are pure hate and they ARE immoral. If you think they are perfectly OK, then you are as immoral as YOUR god AND jesus. and don"t even bother with the rest of this debate.
Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan combined. Oh and btw, your god knowingly created them so that"s god for yah. Here's some examples... 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? There"s no such a thing as "love" within any genocide.
Your god killed killed countless children, babies in that. Not only that but pregnant women. Oh but wait, you christians are supposed to be against abortions. Ehhhhhhttttt. Bzzzttttttt. WRONG. Talk about one helluva blankity blank contradiction. Not only that but your god kills. And yet strange "thou shalt not kill" Nope. Not according to your god. And he even sent his chosen people into battle to kill for him. So yet another super massive major hypocritical contradiction. Your god is not moral at all. Don"t even bring morality into the subject - boy. K? Good.
"I don"t like what God did in the Old Testament." Well, so what? That"s your opinion.Oh Ok so you approve of what your god did in the OT through all his slaughterings of babies and children AND HE FREELY ADMITS IT. This debate is now over. We"re done. Don"t bother posting me back for any reason. You are as immoral and as bankrupt as your neglectful god who in which you cannot even prove exists. Oh and oh yeah your sad pathetic christ is no better. But I know you the true christian coward will not have a look at any evidence that is presented to him, namely the first video. WE-ARE-DONE. Thankfully I and billions of others on this planet do in fact have moral compass and are not guided by your immoral god. You and people like you are pure scum and pure evil.
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Posted by Creation_21 7 months ago
Creation_21
@bacwardseden, and your faulting God for being immoral....when you yourself talk like that! Dude, look at yourself! Your 56 years old and are sitting on your computer insulting children for their beliefs! That is absolutely sick!!!!! If you truly think evolution is true why are you wasting your time trying to convince people that nothing has meaning? Look, you are living in a giant lie! Please look at what your doing, and be honest with yourself, is that how you want to die? Calling kids names and being filled with rage!? Becoming a christian can take all that away.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@Throwbarf is a psychopathic sociopath egotist who stalks people like an itty bitty little child who has a 15% Big Issue rating. So if that doesn't tell the universe something between his pathetic little panhandled uterus, nothing will.
Posted by Throwback 7 months ago
Throwback
@Creation_21, your opponent is a mindless tool, not up to a rational debate. In all sincerity, I believe he is among to most idiotic people I have encountered-no small feat, as I have encountered many idiotic people in 30 years of police work. The intelligent ones don't generally get the attention unless as victims.
Posted by Creation_21 7 months ago
Creation_21
I did not find it necessary to continue a debate with someone who is unwilling to haveing a rational word come out of his mouth, instead he turns to fallacies and insults to try and make his "debate" or should I say immature rant, look like it is winning. I'm not insulting Mr. Bacwardseden as a person I'm just saying that I am not willing to debate someone who is so irrational and unreasonable. He proved his unreasonableness in his last rant that he posted saying that if Christianity were true he wouldn't become a christian because he hated God, that is purely irrational and I do not need to waste my time debating against something like that. I made my points very clear in my statements, so please, if you have any questions please read back on my debate posts or pm me on my account at Creation_21 . I would love to keep talking with you Backwardseden, if you wish to have a more rational discussion of beliefs, please message me and I would be very happy to continue our discussion. Have a very merry Christmas! God bless y'all! :D
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@Creation_21 - You made the most pathetic excuse of all and decided to side with YOUR god and actually think, believe, reason, rationalize, use common sense, somehow use any kind of logic whatsoever, use your remarkable infidelity, and think that its somehow justified for your god to kill innocent babies, children and pregnant women. That being the case, it shows an immediate red flag and shows unto the universe that you are 100% pure evil and hate, just like your barren god in which you cannot even prove exists, and the same is true for your christ, but there is ab-so-lu-te-ly no possible way that not only can you not have any genuine friends or loved ones (yet another HUGE RED flag), but that I nor anyone on this planet would nor should have anything to do with someone who is as pure evil and bent on hate as much as you and wow did you prove it. Bye.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
You have not given up your family, your sister, brother, mother, father, AND hated them to be with your christ. You DO NOT love your enemies and in fact no one should but keep their guard up at all times etc etc etc.
Well um let"s see here um duh um doy um huh? What? Doy duh um huh doy huh? What? I dunno what? I need a furnace to molt my whiskers on, huh? What? Doy duh huh? What? Nope. Nah. huh? What um nope "You rely solely on ad hominem, appeal to authority, and it's just so obvious". Really? According to what imbecile? You who most certainly does, an undergraduate varsity leaguer who got kicked out of everything in his life including synchronized swimming swindlings because of too many rum and coke jacko** meat hook preschool sleepovers. Oh and btw, YOUR GOD in every way possible is ultimate authority you complete skull fracture. And that"s EXACTLY what you slide under you coughed upped sickened sickly sex for a true udergrad like you who cannot throw a punch if he wanted to.
"And if your 25,000 conversation" " No dimwit snot meat sow it means I have experience and I know what the flying pregnant fetus screw I"m talking about. Whereas all you know how to do is blow up hamsters. Ok this is going to Bonzo (you) goes to Bitburg. I"m ending this. You are about a interesting as peeling a fly. Your insults are not fun, nor original at all, you clear don"t know what you are squawking about and like all christians, no exceptions, none, you have to invent excuses and or flat out lie rather than simply saying "i don"t know" in which you have no idea, no clue, none, for anything and---its---so---obvious. Have fun in your wallowing misery.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@Nikolaos - Well yes, you are arrogant in every way. You cannot even prove that your god exists. BANG with a POOF you are phenomenally arrogant. Its also p**s poor of you to honestly believe that you actually know something, anything at all about your bible which is a totally completely fraudulent book in which is the only pathway you have to your god who truly hates children according to your bible. Nah you haven"t read the thing. Oooo other people study theology. AND---THEY---ARE---ALL---WRONG. Not one, not one and let me repeat, not one is correct. Why? Because they like you will not ---ever--- stand behind their product, theirs, and your god when it gets down to it. Why? Because all you and they have to go on is faith. And faith can never be proved. You and all theologians/ creationists would never put your god on trial again, not ever, until your golden turkey prize god has the guts to show himself which would be actual evidence, rather than playing this game of hide-n-go-seek like a wittle wost child. In fact your god is an amazing wittle wost child" if he didn"t like something in your printed bible, he"d either kill it or he"d have someone else do the killing for him. So tee hee ha ha the joke of egg on your shoulders is always upon cheapened corroded death like you.
Narrow-mindedness ALWAYS, no exceptions, none, goes towards those that side with you and your god. Why? Because like little pieces of toilet dust you are trapped within smoggy amounts of your little blank black book. And because of that and its direct wording, you cannot venture beyond it. Its why there is no such a thing as being a true christian who has ---any--- intelligence whatsoever.
You are doing it right now.
https://www.youtube.com... - Why Does Every Intelligent chjristian Disobey jesus? You probably have a car, perhaps a house, you are not homeless, but you have NOT given up everything/ all of your possessions for your chewrag christ that your bible states.
Posted by Nikolaos 7 months ago
Nikolaos
Well no, I don't think it's arrogant of me at all, I don't think I'm better than you for it at all, but if it were, it'd be equally arrogant to call me naive about my own religion, other people study theology you know. Haha getting information from sources that readily agree with you does not prove anything except that you're too narrow-minded to except maybe your worldview isn't correct, a narrow-mindedness which is reflected in your debate style. You rely solely on ad hominem, appeal to authority, and it's just so obvious. And if your 25,000 conversation are about religion are as non-constructive as your debates on this sight, then it's proof positive why appeal to authority is such a lazy and ineffective argument. Being older does not automatically grant you wisdom, which I don't think you're talking out of your butt, but you approach this stuff with such undeserved arrogance. And no I actually don't think the bible is 100% accurately translated by any stretch of the imagination, and It is a huge problem in interpreting it, but I certainly think 0% is a lot more of a stretch. Nothing is that certain, nothing. And the idea that I can't understand Hitchens or Dawkins is ludicrous, they're not saying groundbreaking stuff, and I agree they do make valid points, but they're arguments aren't irrefutable. Both of whom, fyi, acknowledge the existence of Jesus. You haven't really said anything on Tacitus, and that's the one person atheist struggle to refute. The Jesus pf Nazareth King of the Jews point was kind irrelevant. They all basically say the same thing, that's more of a matter of translation. The other verses are more compelling evidence, I'll have to check those out.
Posted by Creation_21 7 months ago
Creation_21
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Posted by Creation_21 7 months ago
Creation_21
How about instead of making more pathetic excuses on the comment sectio, how about you respond to the actual debate
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