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Draco
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Fathers should have a say in deciding whether or not to abort their unborn child

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notyourbusiness
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/16/2014 Category: Health
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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notyourbusiness

Pro

First here's some simple clarification. This topic applies only to cases where conception is consensual, which means that rape is not allowed as an argument since it is out of scope.

Secondly here are some rules:
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2. No insults or discriminatory comments are allowed
3. Foul language is not allowed

First round is for acceptance.
Draco

Con

This should be an interesting debate. I look forward to reading your arguments. Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
notyourbusiness

Pro

I thank Con for accepting the debate.

So here I will make my points:

1. The unborn baby belongs to both the father and the mother
Based on how we treat other objects in which multiple people have a vested interest, both father and mother should have equal rights to the child. As an example, suppose two people, a man and a woman, owned a house together (legally). Because the house is effectively owned by both the woman and man, and anything the woman does to the house would affect the man, the woman would not have the legal right to do whatever she wanted to it. For example, she cannot sell the house without the man's consent.

Half the genetic material of a baby comes from the father, and the other half, the mother. Should there not be an abortion, both parents have equal rights when it comes to custody. If a woman decides to keep her child, the father is required to pay child support regardless of whether he wanted to keep the child or not, or face future jail time. It is obvious that parental rights and responsibilities are given to both parties. Thus, it is reasonable to argue that the father should have a say when it comes to aborting their child, since they have legal rights to the child as well, with such rights being equal to that of the mother's.

2. Abortion takes its toll on both mother and father
Abortion has mental and emotional effects on both parties. Both men and women may experience depression, eating disorders, etc after abortion. Abortion can also destroy a relationship, something which is shared by both parties. It is thus reasonable to say that both parties are equally impacted by abortion. When that is the case, shouldn't father have a say? Shouldn't they have a voice when it comes to a decision which will affect them as well?

My argument is rather simple. Since both parents have equal rights to children, and since abortion has impacts on both parties, fathers should get a say as well. It would be unfair for fathers to not have a voice in a decision that affects them.

References:
http://www.life.org.nz...
http://dadsrights.com...
http://www.menandabortion.info...
http://www.vice.com...
Draco

Con

Draco forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
notyourbusiness

Pro

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Draco

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Debate Round No. 3
notyourbusiness

Pro

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Draco

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
notyourbusiness

Pro

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Draco

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by kwilson60 2 years ago
kwilson60
He has a right, the right is to use birth control. He has a right to make sure the person he is having sex with is a person he can trust, should a baby be conceived. Should he not choose to use birth control, then the women is the one who gets to decide since she is the one who is going to have to carry the baby and give birth. Should she choose to keep the baby, the father has a right to be involved. Should she want to give the baby up for adoption, then he has a right to raise the baby or have a say in who adopts the baby.
Posted by ryanmichie99 2 years ago
ryanmichie99
the child is the fathers and the mothers wither she likes it or not he should always get a say(excluding rape of course)
Posted by notyourbusiness 2 years ago
notyourbusiness
Hello everyone, thanks for all the comments and useful insight! So, just some clarification, as the topic says, I am only striving for there to be a father's input when it comes to abortion. What does this mean? Well, it implies that fathers should be present during discussions with doctors and family concerning the abortion, and that their views and thoughts should be taken into consideration as well.
Posted by Mister_Man 2 years ago
Mister_Man
He should have a say, but I think it would fall on the mother if she will actually go through with it or not. However if he does not want the child, he should not have to pay child support if the mother wants the child.
Posted by Atmas 2 years ago
Atmas
Ultimately, it's the woman's body and therefore she gets the majority vote, but in a conceptual conception where the woman decides to abort the fetus, I do think she should need a good reason and to consult with the father before making the decision. Doing it on a whim without a reason and not telling him will probably result in the failure of the relationship. Despite the level of ownership she possesses over the fetus, it is still, in part, his future child and his future dream of raising a child that will disappear. There is an uncomfortable movement towards distancing the father from ownership of the child and I predict that if it continues in the direction it's headed, men will revert back to the way we used to be; the cold provider with no connection to the children.
Posted by whiteflame 2 years ago
whiteflame
Yeah, I've got basically the same question. Are you advocating for the father to have enough say that they can essentially veto a decision to abort from the mother?
Posted by Hawkeye117 2 years ago
Hawkeye117
I would love to take this debate but I could like to clarify you say the father should have a say by that are you saying the father/ the husband of the wife that wants the abortion should decide yes or no she should have an aborthin or just have input.
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lannan13
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