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Started: 11/5/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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In todays society, i believe feminism is just another ploy to distract us from whats really going on. Nevertheless, I would love to hear a Feminists side of this. I believe that Feminism is bad in our society because Feminists do nothing but try to lower equality. Look around and think, what comes to your mind when you hear "Feminist"? For me its stupid, ignorant, liberal. irresponsible, and greedy. What is the point of them? Every feminist i've ever seen argue believes that they are right, even when everyone knows their nit. They will argue an invalid point and like most politicians, avoid every single question you ask by looping around it. One of the main topics Feminists love to fight for is the female image. And i believe that this is complete crap. The Reason that the "sexy" skinny model is on your magazine isnt because men hate fat women or hate women at all, Its because thats what most are attracted to. Same for women. On Most magazines, Instead of a large man, its some ripped man with "the perfect smile." Now Men realize that not all of us have that image, but we know that the general female population is attracted to it so we dont fuss over it. While women take it as a sign of hate. So why does everyone need to walk on eggshells over a few women with poles up their butt? Another reason they believe they are right in arguing is the little, beautiful subject of hitting a woman. They say all men are pigs who treat all women like crap and beat them. And although i believe that you ahould never hit a woman, like most men, it is a complete lie that there isnt a reason to. There are many reasons to hit a woman, it depemds on your situation, but you just dont do it, its just not right. So hopefully a feminist can spew their crap at me so i can see what they can come up with.


We hear about the horrors women in other countries endure everyday: rape in India, Genital Mutilation in Egypt, and sex trafficking in Europe. We feel compassion for these women, but yet we ignore the discrimination women in the United States. Discrimination against women is still a prevalent issue in today's society. Let's begin our observation of the current situation with:

Observation One: Women are still being discriminated upon--this means we NEED feminism
Even with strides we have taken, literally all women are discriminated upon in the U.S. When they turn 18, men in are required to register for the military draft. Women are NOT allowed to even register. This is just one example of government-sponsored sexism. There are many other examples. You are denying that women are just as capable as men and their autonomy as human beings. Additionally, women are being shot in the streets in the U.S. As a 2010 Washington Post Report points out, women are being murdered in this country at an alarming rate. In Iran, a woman in the military is more likely to be raped by a U.S. Soldier than be killed on the front lines. We need feminism to stop these harms

In Observation Two I note that my opponent's arguments are flawed
The first argument the pro side makes is that we have skinny girls, not "fat women", on magazine covers because that is what men are attracted to. First; that is just an excuse to cover up that he/she is being sexist in their opening speech. Second; he is assuming feminism is lobbying for heavier ladies to be on magazine covers. The real question they are asking is why should their be any magazine promoting PORNOGRAPHY. Next he/she says that feminists say "all men are pigs who treat women like crap and beat them." First; domestic violence is on the rise, according to the Crime Statistics Agency ( Second; he has not provided solid proof that ANY feminist has ever said that. This is pretty obviously a conclusion that he has jumped to (a wrong one at that).

What My Opponent Fails To Point Out Is That Feminism Actually Helps the World
Advantage One: Feminism Boosts the Economy
According to the Economist, the empowerment of career women is one of the most defining changes in the industrialized world: "Goldman Sachs calculates that, leaving all other things equal, increasing women's participation in the labor market to male levels will boost GDP by 21% in Italy, 19% in Spain, 16% in Japan, 9% in America, France and Germany and 8% in Britain."

Advantage Two: Feminism Actually HELPS MEN as well as women
First; Feminism has actually overturned laws that are discriminatory against men. In 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to treat women and men differently under the law. The case, Craig v. Boren, was filled by a plaintiff in Oklahoma over its gender-specific drinking age policy, which prohibited men from drinking before age 21, but allowed women to drink when as young as 18. This implied that men are inherently more reckless and women are more responsible. After the law was struck down, the drinking age became 21 for all. Second; it changed the definition of rape to include men. Did you know that until recently, the FBI's definition of rape was as old-fashioned as the horse and buggy? That is, until feminist activists decided to change that. Thanks to the "Rape Is Rape" campaign launched by the Feminist Majority Foundation and Ms. magazine, more than 160,000 emails were sent to the FBI pressuring it to change its archaic definition of rape. The old definition, "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will," hadn't been changed since 1921. It meant that many types of sexual assaults, including the rape of men, weren't counted as part of the bureau's annual Uniform Crime Report. When the decision was announced, then-VP and General Counsel of the Feminist Majority Foundation Kim Gandy said, "This is a major policy change and will dramatically impact the way rape is tracked and reported nationwide." The new definition now includes all forms of penetration and no longer excludes men. Third; Feminism allows men to spend more time with their children. That women can bring home a pretty big chunk of change through paid work means men can work less and spend more time with their kids, something that's good for both children and their fathers. The time fathers spend with their children is not only rewarding, it's also more purposeful, and contributes to happiness more than time spent working. Thanks to feminist activism, paternity leave exists, and more men are taking advantage of it. The effects on children are immeasurable. Children who spend more time with their fathers are more likely to succeed academically and less likely to abuse drugs and be delinquent. In fact, research shows that children whose fathers can do more than 40% of chores inside the home are more likely to excel in school. Clearly, when men have the ability to spend more time at home, everyone wins.

In conclusion, women are still being discriminated upon and the only way to end it is through feminism. To make the world a better place for both men and women vote con in this debate.
Debate Round No. 1


Sure the points you made are true, but we are not in Iraq. Im talking about the United States society. Secondly, i never said a PORNOGRAPHY magazine. And third, all of your points are not feminism, they are pro equal rights. I am all for equal rights, but the feminist community has strayed so far from "equal rights," that they've turned it into taking rights away from men. In todays job market, there is no more equal rights, its minorities and women get jobs over white men. I could go apply at McDonalds with a high school degree and a white woman could do the same and because of "feminism" she would get the job. If, by a miracle, i were to get the job, assuming she is a feminist, would label it as sexist when in reality if she got the job, i would just walk away from it and go apply somewhere else. And while i will agree with your conclusion that women are still discriminated against, so are men. Nobody reports the cases in men because we dont freak out about it. We blow it off like they should. This is the same principle as racism, a white man can be racist yet a black cannot. Even though they sold their own people. The image that women are up in arms about, or the "barbie doll figure," is one that they made. They thought they looked good like that so they starve themselves or puke their food up. And still a man can be sexist but a woman cannot. Its a backwards outlook for an insane group group of people. Equal rights is good, however, feminism is not.


First to answer the attack on Observation One:
Pro's response to this was that we are not in Iraq. This piece of evidence was from 2010, and since then nothing has changed as we still have people supporting feminism. During the Iraq war, it was true that they were more likely to be raped than shot. If we were in Iraq today it would still stand. Next he said he was never talking about pornography, however it can be inferred from his opener. Now the big argument he made in this last round was that all my arguments were about equal rights, not feminism. However, this argument is flawed. A quick google search indicates the definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." This meas that feminism, by its very definition means equal rights to women. Pro admitted they are pro equal rights, so therefore, by the very definition of feminism, they are pro feminism.

Additionally, note Observation 2 and Advantages 1 and 2 were untouched in the last round, which is reason alone to vote for con.

In conclusion, by the definition of feminism, pro conceded that feminism is good, as well as not denying that feminism is bad by not attacking my advantages of feminism.
Debate Round No. 2


RightWingPoliticalMachine forfeited this round.


My opponent has forfeited, vote con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 2 years ago
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7 points to Con. Reasons for voting decision: I would usually avoid giving all 7 points to one particular contender. But from looking at this debate, Con wins in every way possible and Pro is just making assertions without any sources. This argument is a sure win towards Con.

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