Feminism is irrelevant, unjust and flawed. It should be stopped.
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If the proposition that women and men should be considered as equal human beings sounds "irrelevant, unjust, and flawed," to you, then I hope you come to realize that males are no greater or lesser than females in value and should be treated equally.
I also have to note that I think your definition of feminism is contradictory. You say modern day feminists "refute" (meaning to prove wrong) that men are solely to blame for the suffering and oppression of women. You wrote, in effect, that feminists do NOT think this. That is the interpretation of "refute," anyway.
Feminism does not mean hatred of the male species. That is not equality. True feminists do not despise males because men have had more societal and political power and opportunity up until recently. Feminism is simply a movement for the equality of men and women. Misandry is not feminism.
Back to my main point, the mainstream media feminism of today is full of misandry. Go look at feminist blogs, feminism websites, etc. This has only occurred because feminism has no place anymore in society. Since women now have equality, privileged females, who know NOTHING of the true struggles of the women of the past, have nothing left to stand for. Now what's left is a large group of females who like to point the finger at men for every little inconvenience in their lives. Its idiotic, moronic, and is only poisoning the minds of young females such as yourself. Stop putting yourself in a box and trying to depict living a life without equality. You already have freedom and equality, reach for it and take it. Make something of yourself and leave this nonsense behind.
I am not going to use outdated and false arguments about the wage gap and male dominance in the workplace to try to prove that women and men are not totally equal. Women have more equality today than they have ever had in history, and I in no way am trying to say that we have anything near resembling the struggles for equality of the past. One thing that I feel many feminists think is lacking is gender respect.
Please don't misunderstand me, there are huge quantities of men who treat women fairly and respectfully. However, there are also many who hold an unfair bias towards women. I see it in my school, in the media, in day-to-day interactions. It is the assumption that, because a person is female, they must therefore be inferior.
Do you want examples?
School: Refusal to accept girls onto a recess sports game. Teasing. I know, "they're just kids," right? But isn't that kind of indicative as to what type of people those kids will grow up to be?
Media: Portrayal of women in advertising. Relative lack of positive role models in entertainment.
Day-to-day: Assumption a male serviceperson is more capable than a female one.
I have seen all these things time and time again.
Once again, don't misunderstand me. This problem is two-sided. Women can be jerks. And they are! I am fully aware of the hordes of women who use the label of feminism as a feeble excuse to persecute men for what they falsely perceive as sexism. This is wrong. I cannot stress this enough. Lumping all men into an imaginary cesspool of ignorance and chauvinism is wrong.
There are several points on which I agree with you: feminism is flawed, just like everything, and the mainstream media is full of misandry. I do not condone misandry, nor do I pretend that men and women are greatly or even moderately unequal in politics, economics, and society today. Not in most countries, at least. But feminism's noble ideals, the ideals that men and women should be considered equal and treated that way, (ideals with which we both agree, I believe) do not change because of the actions and words of a group of man-hating fools. To put it in simpler terms, just because someone claims a label doesn't mean that it applies to them. Like the oft-used argument that "Hitler was a Christian," that logic is incorrect. Would a follower of the Judeo-Christian God commit an atrocious genocide against the Chosen People? No. Similarly, would people who believe that men and women deserve equality berate and despise the entirety of one gender for the oppressive actions of a few? No.
Feminism is associated with hatred of all males, but I, and many others, both men and women, know that is not what it stands for. It is simply the goal for equality. Men respecting women and women respecting men. I hope one day misandry and misogyny will be flushed into the metaphorical sewers of forgotten idiocy and we will be left with the situation that should have always been: total respect and equality for all.
Furthermore, addressing the teams chosen at recess, not all young boys discriminate against the girls who want to play. Some are very polite and accepting, but it is the ones who are not who will grow to be biased if their opinions are not changed. Some girls tease and shun boys, as well. And those are the people who will be more likely to lean towards misandry, if they never grow out of it.
I have to disagree with your opinion on how men are portrayed in the media. They are not typically "evil sex-craving addicts," as you say, but characterized as strong, intelligent, masculine, and independent. Heroes, or at least lovable underdogs, are a common role for males in movies, whereas the supporting female lead is normally only beautiful, one-dimensional, and waits to be saved by the male. (Watch a bunch of superhero movies; you'll see what I mean). There are exceptions to all stereotypes, however.
Lastly, women and men are not equal. The fact is, a portion of both men and women continue to exalt their own gender and vilify the opposite sex. These misguided opinions are why feminism remains relevant and just. Although men and women are different, both physically and psychologically, their equality is achievable. It just has not happened yet, and both sides have some work to do.
-1991: the U.S. Senate voted to open combat positions for women aviators.
-1992: four more women were elected into the U.S. Senate.
-1994: the Gender Equity in Education Act was passed, banning gender stereotyping and discrimination in the classroom.
-1994: marital rape was banned in the UK.
-1994: the Violence Against Women Act was passed in the U.S.
-2007: the Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act was passed in the UK.
-2013: the first ever woman to bring a gender discrimination lawsuit in China won her case and received an official apology from the discriminating party.
Feminism still has a place because not all men respect women equally, and vice versa. However, both men and women are on the right track to gender equality. Feminism is not irrelevant or unjust; a movement for equal gender rights is neither of those things. Misandry and misogyny will not go down without a fight, and feminism is part of that battle.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: A nigh clean-sweep for Con. Between his assertion that the position was "retarded" and his poor S&G, I think those points are clear. Con's single source doesn't quite justify the source points in this debate IMHO. As to arguments, Pro really failed to construct a coherent case for his resolution. Con, in contrast, provided some benefits of feminism that seemed sufficient to negate Pro's case. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.
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