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Feminism is men-hating

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nerdyprincess

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The definition of feminism is the belief that the men and women should be treated equally in economy, politics and other stuff. That means that feminism benefits men too. Fathers always get less credit than mothers and feminism will fix that. Men crying is considered improper by the elite society, but feminism will fix that. People expect more from men and the punishment are more severe, but feminism will fix that.
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2

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Feminism wants equality of outcome, which spits in the face of Egalitarian Meritocracy.

Your argument seems illogical.
Debate Round No. 1
nerdyprincess

Con

Not necessarily, feminism in my definition is when a man and a womean has the same abilities, they get the same opportunities.
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2

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Is it from a credible source?
Debate Round No. 2
nerdyprincess

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Definition of feminism
: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

https://www.merriam-webster.com...

I just gave an example so it may seem easier to understand.
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2

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"Here seems to be confusion about the definition of feminism, aided by quotable celebrities who have become vocal on the issue. “If you stand for equality, you’re a feminist,” according to Emma Watson. In response to criticism for her topless photo shoot for Vanity Fair in March of this year: “Feminism is about giving women choice. It’s about freedom. It’s about liberation. It’s about equality.”

If these mantras sound friendly and palatable, it is by design. Modern feminism has been reconstructed through individualistic rhetoric which largely ignores the social constraints of male rule. It’s interesting how Watson’s choice to objectify herself reflects exactly what men would have women do, anyway: instead of being forced to be objectified for male consumption, women can now enjoy the freedom to choose objectification. In this way, it is implied that our oppression becomes empowering if one chooses it. Neoliberal feminism, which uses terms like gender equality and choice, focuses on individuals rather than systemic sexism, and rejects analysis of how choices impact society . It is at best, misguided, and at worst, used to produce outcomes that are actively anti-feminist and more closely resemble rhetoric from the men’s rights movement than the women’s movement.

More recently, in light of the many women who have come forward about being sexually harassed or assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, Watson posted to twitter: “In this instance it was women affected but I also stand with all the men, indeed any person, who has suffered sexual harassment.”


Gender Equality is Male-Centered Equality

Let’s go back to Emma Watson and her declaration that feminism is about freedom, liberation, and equality. Her ideas are by no means hers alone; they represent a mainstream misunderstanding of what it is women need to achieve the freedom of choice she advocates.

To begin with, the mainstream left places these ideas together as though they are synonymous as though equality will manifest as liberation. Then, we need to ask: what is meant by equality?

In order to understand what equality means in this context, we need to understand how it is being defined in society. Equal pay for equal work, for example, is a cause being advocated by many women in Hollywood. It is propped up as a feminist issue rather than an economic one. The push for equal pay acknowledges that money is power while strangely ignoring the reality of the system of capitalism, which depends on inequality. Equal pay for equal work does nothing for the women who do a disproportionate amount of housework in heterosexual relationships, no matter how much more they might make than their male partner.

It is also curious how granting women an opportunity to gain equal work is not frequently addressed by proponents of equal pay advocacy, presumably because educating women is not an individualistic endeavor, but requires labor and restructuring of systems. Indeed, wealthy white women advocating equal pay comes across as self-serving, and rightfully so, since they have shown themselves to be unwilling to lift women who lack the skills or resources to gain employment in fields of prestige similar to their own. Or, perhaps, to criticize capitalism itself, and recognize that “equal pay” within an unequal system is an oxymoron.

In this case, it becomes clear that equality is being defined by the left as becoming equal to men : advocating for the same rights and privileges that men enjoy under patriarchy is the standard by which mainstream feminism is measuring women’s freedom. When feminism is defined as becoming equal to men, it is a clear admission that men are the default by which we ought to measure ourselves, and therefore, no longer feminism at all.

Instead of saying, “Women can do anything a man can do,” we ought to recognize that women can do amazing things men can never do. Our biological differences, the ability to create life is a gift. Men and women are more the same than different, aside from this point, yet it is very telling that the perceived weakness of our bodies, along with our ability to give birth, are among the main obstacles in men perceiving us as, and allowing us to be, fully human." [1]

Source: https://radfemfatale.com...


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2 3 weeks ago
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2
What?
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 3 weeks ago
Debatwinnerpro
the definition of feminism is not what it is.... it was perverted...

like the swastika for example
Posted by Debatwinnerpro 3 weeks ago
Debatwinnerpro
the definition of feminism is not what it is.... it was perverted...

like the swastika for example
Posted by BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2 3 weeks ago
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2
Let's do this.
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