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untitled_entity
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Charlie_Danger
Pro (for)
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Feminism is not pointless

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/3/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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untitled_entity

Con

I'll defer to AFF for constructive.
Charlie_Danger

Pro

I affirm "Resolved: Feminism is not pointless"

Definitions:
Feminism: the intellectual, philosophical and political discourse aimed at equal rights and legal protection for women (1)
Discourse: formal discussion (2)
Pointless: devoid of effectiveness (3)

Observation 1: In order to keep debate fair, we must not deter to the philosophical concept that nothing has a "point", moreover it is important that we indeed accept the general cause for existence and action, hence the definition for "pointless". Besides, if nothing ever had a point to it, then logically nobody would ever be doing anything. I am just trying to avoid Chaos Theory argumentation.

Observation 2: The resolution dictates that feminism is NOT pointless, meaning that the affirmative has the burden to prove said statement, and the negative must prove that feminism IS pointless. Because of this double negative topic, like all others, the burden of proof falls on the negative, as the default is that feminism is, in fact, not pointless. So, judges, keep in mind that you default AFF if the arguments wash, equal, or succeed (for the affirmative)

Contention 1: "Feminism is just"
As no resource is necessary to prove, women were the LAST minority to be given rights during the development of the US. African americans had their struggles with slavery, and later segregation, but ultimately the problem was solved with the granting of suffrage, unity and all other full and equal american rights to black...MALES. Women waited until the 1920's, JUST to receive their suffrage, and today they still remain absent of many rights not only in America, but ESPECIALLY across seas. Rape, discrimination, abuse and overall treatment like insects, is beyond plentiful foreign countries. An example of this is the middle-east, where things like temporary and arranged marriages are socially acceptable. Just a few days ago in Saudi Arabia, a woman was kidnapped by the son of her temporary fianc´┐Że, raped, impregnated, beaten and kept prisoner for three years. When the man was arrested by INTERPOL, he was pending trial, however the trial cannot even be held unless the father of the abuser states that he had a relationship with this woman. BUT, wait it gets better, if the man confirms the relationship, his son gets full and complete custody of the children, if he doesn't, she is deported back to her country, where events like this are commonplace. (4) The point I am trying to make, and that any and all reasonable and moral persons will agree, is that women are less than or equal to men in societies eye at best. For this reason, it is just for any theory or organization to support the equality of all human beings, gender-blind.

Contention 2: "Feminism is effective"
It is clear that the feminism is effective because of how far women's rights have come over the years. Ages ago, women were treated like dirt worldwide. Tools for sex, tools for housework, tools for children. Nothing else. Until the feminist movement came along, and helped bring women closer to their goal of international human equality. Although some regions around the world still publicly and politically discriminate, massive amounts of progress has been made. I would hope that the example of US women would be enough, but to ensure my source points, look at the last couple of sources at the bottom of this text if you need more evidence (5-9). The impact of this contention is: Because we define "pointless" the way we do, having this insurmountable pile of evidence to prove that feminism is far from pointless ensures your vote for the affirmative.

I apologize for not doing this earlier, but thank you so much for posting this debate. I love the topic and it's the best I've seen out of the challenge period right now, so I am honored to debate.

(1) - http://en.wikipedia.org...
(2) - http://en.wikipedia.org...
(3) - http://www.merriam-webster.com...
(4) - http://sandgetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com...
(5) - http://www.guardian.co.uk...
(6) - http://www.aclu-nj.org...
(7) - http://www.thefreelibrary.com...'s+rights:+how+far+has+Namibia+come+in...-a0165807216
(8) - http://forum.japantoday.com...
(9) - http://blog.aclu.org...
Debate Round No. 1
untitled_entity

Con

I thank Charlie_Danger for accepting.

Feminism has created a breed of women known as Feminazis. These women create vile double standards about men and how they should be treated in regards to women.

These women have created vile and detestable things such as:

The stitch and bi*ch
Changing wife beaters to "white" beater
and truly the list goes on.

Feminism is pointless because it is no longer accomplishing the goals it set out to. We now just have a bunch of short haired women who yell about how men should be castrated and that chivalry is dead.
Charlie_Danger

Pro

Charlie_Danger forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
untitled_entity

Con

Sorry about my argument for the last round, apologies to Mr. Wanless for having his account closed. I will now present an argument in the hopes that Charlie_Danger's account is reopened.

Feminism: a doctrine that advocates equal rights for women. [1]
Pointless : [2]
1 : devoid of meaning :
2 : devoid of effectiveness

The current idea of Feminism is pointless.

In the 60s or 70s, Feminism did have a point, it did work to make voting rights for women etc., however Feminism as it is today, is pointless.

The idea of Feminism defeats itself. Feminism is what women want to make sure they are treated equally as everyone else, however, they use Feminism as a tool to provide them with certain rights that no one else can have. These include inflated pay, etc., [3]. With this new breed of Feminism we have just created a group of misogynistic women who prefer double standards to men. In addition to this, there are some women who face unnecessary backlash from Feminists. These women are those who would prefer to stay at home with their children, who like being subservient to their husbands and who enjoy doing domestic work.

Feminism is a doctrine that advocates equal rights for women. It no longer advocates equal rights for women but more tries to create a double standard and give them more of an "edge". Therefore it is devoid of its original point, therefore it is pointless.

I don't really care one way or another about Feminism, I just found it an interesting topic. I thank Charlie_Danger for his argument in the first round and hope he can return to the rest of the debate.

Sources:
[1] - wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
[2] - http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[3] - http://www.progressiveu.org...
Charlie_Danger

Pro

Charlie_Danger forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Charlie_Danger 7 years ago
Charlie_Danger
I was gonna reinstate this debate, but I've kinda lost my flair for this topic...
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
Con wins easily due to unrefuted arguments. Something "has a point" regardless of whether or not the point is constructive or destructive. Pro didn't make that argument.
Posted by Lexicaholic 7 years ago
Lexicaholic
RFD: CON
(1) Agreed with Con in the beginning. Feminism is pointless *now* although clearly it once had its place.
(2) Agreed with Con by the end. Feminism is argued as being still pointless. What we need is a movement that recognizes that all people, regardless of their circumstances, deserve equal treatment/regard as citizens.
(3) Con. Although I sympathize with C_D for the account banning, I have a firm standard that red forfeit = bad.
(4) Tie.
(5) Tie.
(6) Pro. C_D had more sources overall than U_E, and the quality was comparative.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
Even though I am girl, Feminism has just reached a point of ridiculousness especially amongst pro - choicers and work place benefits.
Posted by brian_eggleston 7 years ago
brian_eggleston
I agree, that's just common sense - you are living up to your name there!
Posted by Common_Sense_Please 7 years ago
Common_Sense_Please
Some women go too far, but without feminism, things will just go downhill to what they were like before. Better to go slightly over the top than not have it at all.
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